{"id":19162,"date":"2022-10-25T10:29:14","date_gmt":"2022-10-25T08:29:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/?p=218089"},"modified":"2022-10-25T10:42:10","modified_gmt":"2022-10-25T08:42:10","slug":"15-minutes-of-fame-michael-scott-chooses-kleisthenes","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/bbchistory\/rss_feed\/15-minutes-of-fame-michael-scott-chooses-kleisthenes\/","title":{"rendered":"15 minutes of fame | Michael Scott chooses Kleisthenes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"><\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By Lauren Good\n                \t\t<\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Tuesday, 25 October 2022 at 12:00 am<\/p><hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><h2>Who was Kleisthenes?<\/h2>\n<p>Kleisthenes was an Athenian aristocrat born around 570 BC \u2013 and a man, Professor Michael Scott argues, who might be regarded as the founding father of democracy. It was Kleisthenes, says Scott, who implemented \u201can extraordinary set of changes\u201d that allowed Athenian men from various financial and social backgrounds to contribute equally to the city\u2019s governance. It was a form of democracy \u2013 though not quite how we would recognise it today.<\/p>\n<h3>Kleisthenes\u2019s life<\/h3>\n<p>\u201cKleisthenes isn\u2019t the kind of person you might imagine the father of Athenian democracy to be,\u201d explains Scott. Rather than a young, revolutionary idealist, he was a \u201cwell-seasoned, well-wrinkled Athenian aristocrat\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>And Kleisthenes was not just an aristocrat, but the maternal grandson of a famous tyrant. On his father\u2019s side, he descended from one of the most elite families in Athens, the Alcmaeonids, who had \u201cbeen at the epicentre\u201d of politics for over a century and a half.<\/p>\n<p>The creation of Kleisthenes\u2019s governmental system between 510 and 508 BC began in a bid to turn the tables on his opponent, Isagoras. No one had previously attempted to enlist the support of the Athenian masses and Kleisthenes was intelligent enough, Scott says, to realise there was a great number of people who had not been given a voice. So, Kleisthenes added them to his faction by promising them \u201cgreater power and a greater say\u201d.<\/p>\n<ul><li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/ancient-greece\/guide-famous-influential-ancient-greeks\/&quot;\">Who\u2019s who in ancient Greece? Meet 14 influential ancient Greeks<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul><p>Isagoras relied on Sparta to support him, and the Athenian masses did not approve of his bringing in an outsider army. In response, they barricaded Isagoras and his troops in the Acropolis until they agreed to surrender and leave the city entirely. At that moment, Scott explains, Kleisthenes realised there was a mass of people promised a voice if they supported him, and he had to deliver.<\/p>\n<p>There is much debate over Kleisthenes\u2019s true initial intentions. \u201cPeople really argue over this guy,\u201d says Scott. \u201cWas he an idealist who, despite spending his entire life in the bickering politics of Athens, was nurturing a flame for the masses to have a voice? Or was he just a scheming realist who was looking for any edge he could get at the time, and then realised he actually had to deliver on that?\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"&quot;image-handler__container\" image-handler__container--aspect=\"\" style=\"&quot;padding-bottom:\" calc=\"\"> <picture><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/7\/2022\/10\/GettyImages-591066304-b67a247-e1666601362455.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=298%2C199,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/7\/2022\/10\/GettyImages-591066304-b67a247-e1666601362455.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=298%2C199,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" 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class=\"&quot;caption-copy&quot;\"><i class=\"&quot;icon-arrow\" icon-camera-circle=\"\"\/> Historian Michael Scott (Picture by Roberto Ricciuti\/Getty Images)<\/span><\/figcaption><span class=\"&quot;im-image-caption&quot;\"\/><\/div>\n<p>Despite the contention surrounding his motives, Kleisthenes did deliver his promise to the Athenians. He completely rewrote the ways in which people contributed to the city, and split Attica [the region controlled by Athens] into 30 groups called <em>trittyes<\/em>. Three<em> trittyes<\/em> \u2013 one from the city of Athens, inland Attica, and the coast of Attica \u2013 were combined to make a tribe. The 30 <em>trittyes<\/em> produced 10 tribes, and these tribes dictated how Athenians carried out military service and participated in the council. They also allowed every man, regardless of their location and social status, to engage with politics and business.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSuddenly everyone in Athens, whether you were an elite aristocrat or whether you were the lowest born Athenian citizen, had a new way of engaging with the politics and business of Athens,\u201d says Scott. \u201cAnd it was all done through your tribe, forcing you to work with people who actually weren\u2019t geographically close to you and thus were not part or only a small part of the same old aristocratic landed support networks.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Kleisthenes\u2019s reforms were undoubtedly sweeping but, when we consider his legacy, Scott notes the importance of disentangling <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/ancient-greece\/how-to-build-a-democracy-athenian-style\/&quot;\">Athenian democracy<\/a> from our modern definition. For instance, women were not involved in this system, and it was one entirely based on slavery. \u201cWhat we see as the beginning of our journey is a system that we would not want to recognise as democracy today.\u201d<\/p>\n<ul><li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/ancient-greece\/slavery-ancient-greece-life-society\/&quot;\">Slavery in ancient Greece: what was life like for enslaved people?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul><p>It was a war that prevented Kleisthenes\u2019s reforms from being ripped up by the next aristocrat to come along. Just two years later, in 506 BC, the Athens was at war with Boeotia. \u201cAthens scored a massive victory in a way that they really weren\u2019t expecting to,\u201d says Scott. This victory was interpreted as people fighting for themselves \u2013 \u201cnot for a tyrant, a ruler, or an aristocratic club\u201d. Very quickly, the new system seemed somehow responsible for enabling military superiority.<\/p>\n<p>This military superiority was evidenced yet again in 490 BC, in the battle of Marathon, when the Athenians beat the Persians, and again a decade later at battles of <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/ancient-greece\/battle-salamis-480-bc-facts-what-happened-who-won\/&quot;\">Salamis<\/a> and Plataea. These three major military conflicts, Scott says, helped convince people that they were stronger under their new system.<\/p>\n<p>What is strange about Kleisthenes\u2019s story is that, after his instigation of these major changes, he disappears from the sources entirely. People assume that he perished soon after 508 BC and, therefore, \u201che died never knowing quite how extraordinary and how long lasting his ideas really were going to be\u201d.<\/p>\n<h3>Why does Kleisthenes deserve his 15 minutes of fame?<\/h3>\n<p>Kleisthenes deserves his 15 minutes of fame, Scott says, because \u201cin the muddied, difficult, confused atmosphere of following 508 BC, when everyone\u2019s looking to him to deliver on his promises, he really comes up with two brilliant new ideas for how to structure Athenian society and how to give everyone a chance to play their part in Athenian society.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe\u2019s given people, everyone, a new way of engaging with the new political system,\u201d he adds, \u201cand at the same time made it possible that anyone could actually end up on its governing council.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Michael Scott is an ancient historian, and professor of classics and ancient history at the University of Warwick. He has written and presented a range of television and radio documentaries for ITV, BBC, National Geographic, and History Channel. Michael was\u00a0talking to Kev Lochun. Listen to the <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/ancient-greece\/15-minutes-fame-podcast-kleisthenes\/&quot;\">full interview<\/a> and find more episodes in our <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/podcast-series\/15-minutes-fame-podcast-series\/&quot;\">15 minutes of fame podcast series<\/a><\/strong><\/p><\/body><\/html>\n<hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Lauren Good Published: Tuesday, 25 October 2022 at 12:00 am Who was Kleisthenes? Kleisthenes was an Athenian aristocrat born around 570 BC \u2013 and a man, Professor Michael Scott argues, who might be regarded as the founding father of democracy. 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