{"id":29996,"date":"2023-11-06T13:45:54","date_gmt":"2023-11-06T12:45:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/?p=249266"},"modified":"2023-11-06T15:11:40","modified_gmt":"2023-11-06T14:11:40","slug":"alternate-history-what-if-james-ii-and-vii-had-kept-his-throne","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/bbchistory\/rss_feed\/alternate-history-what-if-james-ii-and-vii-had-kept-his-throne\/","title":{"rendered":"Alternate history: what if James II and VII had kept his throne?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"> Nige Tassell asks Professor Ted Vallance about the future of both monarchy and state religion had James II and VII not been usurped in 1688 <\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By Nige Tassell\n                \t\t<\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Monday, 06 November 2023 at 12:45 PM<\/p><hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body> <p>In late 1688, King James II of England and Ireland, James VII of Scotland, saw his near-four-year reign drift to an end, after which he disappeared into exile. Replacing him on the throne were his son-in-law William III of Orange, the leader of the Dutch Republic, and William\u2019s wife, James\u2019s daughter Mary II.<\/p>\n<p>In England, the change in monarchs, known as the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/stuart\/glorious-revolution-explain-what-happened-why-history-william-orange-james-ii-mary\/\">Glorious Revolution<\/a>, was achieved with little bloodshed. James chose to disband his army, allowing William and his troops, having landed in Devon, to make their way to London relatively unimpeded.<\/p>\n<p>It might have been a largely peaceful surrender of power, but it was a significant one, too. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/stuart\/william-iii-mary-ii-who-rule-marriage-guide\/\">William and Mary<\/a>\u2019s joint reign broke the notion of the divine right of kings by introducing a \u2018contract\u2019 between the monarchy and the people, as represented by Parliament. James, in contrast, had favoured a tighter concentration of power within one individual: himself. Had James repelled William and Mary\u2019s invasion, what kind of monarchy might have developed under him?<\/p>\n<section class=\"highlight \"> <div class=\"highlight__content editor-content\"> <h4>In context: the rule of James II and VII<\/h4>\n<p>James II and VII may have ruled for fewer than four years, but his reign marked a turbulent time, both politically and religiously. Aiming to both curb the powers of Parliament and strengthen the hand of his fellow Catholics, he encountered significant opposition from politicians and clergymen alike.<\/p>\n<p>This tumult was resolved by the Glorious Revolution of 1688, which saw James\u2019s removal from the throne and his replacement by his daughter Mary and her husband, William III of Orange. England was once again under Protestant rule, and the notion of the divine right of kings was punctured forever.<\/p>\n<p> <\/p><\/div> <\/section> <p>\u201cFirst of all, we need to understand James\u2019s aims for Parliament,\u201d explains Professor Ted Vallance of the University of Roehampton and author of <em>The Glorious Revolution: 1688 \u2013 Britain\u2019s Fight For Liberty<\/em> (Little, Brown, 2006). \u201cHe aimed to fashion a House of Commons that would vote for the repeal of the Penal Laws, which excluded Catholics from public life. In this respect, he sought to make Parliament more \u2018manageable\u2019, and to use his prerogative powers to dissolve it when it became troublesome.\u201d<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/stuart\/how-glorious-was-the-glorious-revolution\/\">How glorious was the Glorious Revolution?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Professor Vallance certainly cautions against any notion that the king sought to remove the legislature wholesale. \u201cHad James done away with Parliament entirely, it would have actually made it hard for him to govern,\u201d he explains. \u201cParliament represented England\u2019s governing classes \u2013 its most powerful figures and the individuals who ensured the smooth operation of local government. The rapid swings of political fortune over James\u2019s reign were already creating a chaotic political situation at local level.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>Risk of revolution<\/h3>\n<p>If the situation had been allowed to persist, could this chaos have turned into some kind of popular revolution capable of registering a significant blow to the monarchy itself? \u201cIt\u2019s doubtful that domestic resistance would have posed much of an immediate threat to his authority,\u201d observes Professor Vallance. \u201cThe king had built up a sizeable army, which had already demonstrated that it could deal effectively with uprisings, as shown by the crushing defeat of Argyll\u2019s and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/stuart\/monmouth-rebellion-1685\/\">Monmouth\u2019s rebellions<\/a> in 1685.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"image-handler__container image-handler__container--aspect\" style=\"padding-bottom: calc(100% \/ 1.501210653753);\"> <picture> <source media=\"(max-width: 320px)\" 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width=\"620\" height=\"413\" alt=\"James II and VII receives news of the landing in Devon of his son-in-law William III of Orange\" title=\"James II and VII receives news of the landing in Devon of his son-in-law William III of Orange\"\/>\n<\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/picture>\n<\/div><div class=\"caption-hold\"><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span class=\"caption-copy\"><i class=\"icon-arrow icon-camera-circle\"\/> James II and VII receives news of the landing in Devon of his son-in-law William III of Orange, who would shortly replace him on the throne. (Image by Getty Images)<\/span><\/figcaption><span class=\"im-image-caption\"\/><\/div>\n<p>If, in the event James ruled for longer, Parliament had been clipped and curbed, what about the country\u2019s religious make-up? \u201cSome contemporaries believed that James\u2019s intention was to restore Roman Catholicism as the religion of the state,\u201d says Professor Vallance. \u201cThe long-term impact of having a Catholic dynasty \u2028in a Protestant country would surely have given a boost to the Catholic community in England, at the same time weakening the connection between the church and the monarchy. Even if England had not officially become a Catholic nation, there is a strong possibility that it would have ceased to be an Anglican one.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"row\"> <div class=\"col-10 offset-1\"> <div class=\"embed\"> <div class=\"template-article__pullquote mt-md mb-md\"> <blockquote class=\"pullquote heading-4\"> <span class=\"pullquote__icon pullquote__icon--left icon-pullquote\" data-grunticon-embed=\"\"\/>The rapid swings of political fortune over James\u2019s reign were creating a chaotic political situation<span class=\"pullquote__icon pullquote__icon--right icon-pullquote\" data-grunticon-embed=\"\"\/> <\/blockquote> <\/div> <\/div> <\/div>\n<\/div> <p>On assuming power, William quickly established a \u2018Grand Alliance\u2019, including England and the Dutch Republic, to firm up support in the Nine Years\u2019 War against Louis XIV\u2019s France. Had James remained on the throne, what would have been the nature of English foreign policy, particularly in relation to the French against the Protestant Dutch?<\/p>\n<h3>Fighting France<\/h3>\n<p>\u201cI think the response would have been very different,\u201d says Professor Vallance, \u201cbut it would not necessarily have seen England side with the French. Louis\u2019s ambitions seemed limitless, so Catholic as well as Protestant heads of state were wary of the threat that France posed to their own interests. England staying out of the conflict at the beginning is perhaps the most likely scenario.\u201d And would the French have gained quick superiority over the Dutch without the latter receiving naval support from England? \u201cWhat seems most likely is a shorter conflict, with a peace favouring the French.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Finally, had James been succeeded by his son James, Prince of Wales, the subsequent route of succession would have taken a different path, and the British throne would not have been occupied by such era-defining monarchs as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/membership\/history-explorer-the-decline-of-george-iii\/\">George III<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/victorian\/queen-victoria-facts-life-children-prince-albert-husband-marriage-reign\/\">Victoria<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/modern\/surprising-facts-about-queen-elizabeth-ii-royal-family-crown-netflix-olivia-colman-claire-foy\/\">Elizabeth II<\/a>. \u201cPerhaps we don\u2019t need to get too caught up in the dazzling personalities of these royals,\u201d concludes Professor Vallance. \u201cThe Glorious Revolution also bequeathed us George I and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/georgian\/george-ii-facts-hanover-british-king-german-elector-rule-reputation\/\">George II<\/a>. The likely alternative outcome would have been the same old hereditary lottery, with some good monarchs and some bad.\u201d<\/p>\n<section class=\"highlight \"> <div class=\"highlight__content editor-content\"> <h4>More from our alternate history series<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/cold-war\/cuban-missile-crisis-what-if-alternate-history-world-war-three\/\">What if\u2026 the Cuban Missile Crisis had escalated?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/georgian\/alternate-history-what-if-napoleon-had-defeated-russia\/\">What if\u2026 Napoleon had defeated Russia?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/georgian\/alternative-alternate-history-what-if-george-iii-didnt-lose-colonies-united-states\/\">What if\u2026 George III had not \u2018lost\u2019 the colonies?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/tudor\/alternate-history-what-if-spanish-armada-won-elizabeth-defeated\/\"><strong>What if\u2026 the Spanish Armada had landed in England?<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/ancient-greece\/alternate-history-what-if-alexander-the-great-had-lived-longer\/\"><strong>What if\u2026 Alexander the Great hadn\u2019t died so young?<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/20th-century\/alternate-history-what-if-argentina-had-won-the-falklands-war\/\"><strong>What if\u2026 Argentina had won the Falklands War?<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/tudor\/alternate-history-what-if-henry-viii-first-son-lived-henry-duke-cornwall\/\">What if\u2026 Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon\u2019s first son had lived?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/period\/second-world-war\/alternate-history-what-if-japan-had-not-attacked-bombed-pearl-harbor\/\"><strong>What if\u2026 Japan hadn\u2019t attacked Pearl Harbor?<\/strong><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p> <\/p><\/div> <\/section> <p><strong>This article was first published in the October 2023 issue of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/bbc-history-revealed-magazine\/\">BBC History Revealed<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p> <\/body><\/html>\n<hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Nige Tassell asks Professor Ted Vallance about the future of both monarchy and state religion had James II and VII not been usurped in 1688 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