As a major new film explores the life of the French emperor, Matt Elton asks historians Laura O\u2019Brien and David Andress how we can make sense of the diverse and contradictory aspects of Napoleon\u2019s character and career <\/p>
Matt Elton:<\/strong>\u00a0Before we start thinking about Napoleon\u2019s legacy, we should explore a key aspect of his story: just how great a military commander was he, and what were his greatest successes?<\/strong><\/p>\n David Andress:<\/strong> He\u2019s one of the greatest military commanders of all time. He was also a highly charismatic individual and, every time you talk about Napoleon, you have to bear that in mind alongside the fact that he was a terrible person, politically speaking. He was staggeringly successful at doing things with military force \u2013 the problem was, that wasn\u2019t always a good idea. The story of Napoleon\u2019s life from the mid-1790s onwards is essentially one of balancing his personal charisma, drive, ambition and outstanding leadership qualities with what he actually did in the political sphere, the systems he set up, and what they said about what he thought about everyone else who wasn\u2019t him.<\/p>\n Laura O\u2019Brien:<\/strong> I completely agree. One of the reasons he continues to excite such interest is the tendency to view him through a binary prism: he is either the worst person who ever lived, or a perfect genius who was really hard done by. This is the classic historian\u2019s answer, but we need to think about his reputation in a more complicated, nuanced way. We have to recognise what Napoleon achieved \u2013 which was exceptional \u2013 and the way he was able to capture the imagination to such an extent that he still informs how we understand leadership.<\/p>\n How did Napoleon\u2019s early life shape his worldview and how he saw himself?<\/strong><\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> Probably the most important early formative event was being sent to a military academy in 1779, when he was nine. He spent the next five years in that very austere environment, and noted later how it taught him to survive in hard situations. He was likely very badly bullied: people joked about his accent, and the fact he didn\u2019t speak French very clearly. He became interested in the idea of Corsican independence in this period, and in the fact that he was Corsican above all.<\/p>\n Although he did have a difficult time, and wasn\u2019t an academic superstar by any means, he did get on quite well. He probably wasn\u2019t the lone genius \u2013 the isolated child ploughing a lonely furrow towards a future destiny \u2013 that he and some of his future biographers wanted him to be viewed as.<\/p>\n DA:<\/strong> Thinking of yourself as a lonely genius was the thing of the moment in the 1770s and 1780s. It was an era in which the late Enlight- enment began shading towards Romanti- cism, and for the young people of that generation who were going to become the Romantics, one of the key ideas was that you had to be distinctive and have a personality. That included the idea that, if your circum- stances were making you miserable, you had to surmount them and move forward. In a sense, the French Revolution fell into the lap of this generation as an opportunity to show off their greatness in all kinds of ways.<\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> It\u2019s vital to think not just about the boots-on-the-ground aspect of his military successes but also how those victories were relayed back to France and around the world. Napoleon was aware of having an audience at all times, and of existing for that audience. That projection of an image of himself \u2013 his military success and his political leadership \u2013 explicitly intended for wider consumption was very modern.<\/p>\n He essentially created a form of modern leadership, and you can see that from early on in his career. Le Courrier de l\u2019Arm\u00e9e d\u2019Italie, for instance, which was the newspaper of the Army of Italy, was essentially a write-up of how well Napoleon had been doing and how great all his military successes had been. It was notionally for the soldiers but, really, it was for the people at home in France, who were starting to put pictures of Napoleon up on their walls and buy prints of him in battle.<\/p>\n Was this image management central to how he was seen?<\/strong><\/p>\n DA:<\/strong> You always have to see that aspect of it. He didn\u2019t even bother posing for the famous image of him crossing the Alps sitting on a horse as it rears up, for instance. He just said: \u201cKnock me up a picture in which I look great.\u201d That was an act of propaganda in itself, part of a movement to set himself up as a hero to people desperate for such a figure after a decade of chaos \u2013 and to then take power on the assumption that they need it rather than having to actually ask them if they want it.<\/p>\n During the coup of 1799, Napoleon wanted to ratify the fact that he\u2019d taken power (albeit having seized it brutally), so decided to have a popular plebiscite, or referendum \u2013 and then faked the results. LOB:<\/strong> It is about manipulating the idea of democracy, but also the idea that Napoleon can connect with people to such an extent that they almost don\u2019t need the thing in the middle. Napoleon\u2019s idea was that he could connect to the public because he knew what they wanted \u2013 and what they wanted was him, because he was such a legend.<\/p>\n Returning to that painting of him crossing the Great St Bernard Pass, Napoleon knew his history \u2013 being a child of the classics- focused system of the Enlightenment \u2013 and there are plenty of references to leaders of the past in that image. For instance, the rocks in the foreground are inscribed with the names of Hannibal and Charlemagne. So Napoleon was very explicitly inserting himself into this continuum, this legacy of leadership that unified the military and the political.<\/p>\n Did this self-mythologisation obscure darker, more complex aspects of this story \u2013 of the Napoleonic Wars, for instance?<\/strong><\/p>\n DA:<\/strong> The crowned heads of Europe fought each other a lot. But they also understood at some level that this was a system in which wars had limits, and that the objective of every war was some kind of just diplomatic settlement. That was an idea that had gone back hundreds of years.<\/p>\n What Napoleon did, notoriously, was to break that system: partly through his use of magnificent, glorious force, but partly by being a shameless oath-breaker. He thought that treaties were things you used to make other people do things \u2013 and, if you didn\u2019t like the outcome, you\u2019d just declare war on them again. He did this for reasons his propagandists outlined at length and in detail but, in the end, he did them because he could. When you look at the relationship between war and politics through the decade after Napoleon\u2019s coronation in 1804, it\u2019s clear he never accepted that anyone else could limit what he wanted to do. That was the real dark side, internationally speaking.<\/p>\n Of course, within the French empire there was also authoritarianism at a civil level: censorship, no free elections, and no meaningful concept of democracy in action. France was a police state, and it\u2019s only in light of the worse examples from the 20th century that you might be tempted to downplay that authoritarianism.<\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> It\u2019s important not to see this era as being a sort of 20th-century totalitarian police state, but there was an authoritarian element. And there was also, of course, the decision to send the French army back into the Caribbean and to reimpose slavery on some French colonies \u2013 although Napoleon did later say that he shouldn\u2019t have done it, if only because he would then have been able to use military and political force to play off against Britain and Spain in their imperial possessions. While people have long been aware of this aspect of the story, the 2021 bicentennial of his death acknowledged it very explicitly, and it\u2019s now something I think you can\u2019t avoid talking about.<\/p>\n It seems to me there\u2019s increasing scope for understanding Napoleon in a way that is not just about explicit, blanket denunciation or heroisation but instead about looking at him and his legacy in a more holistic way that goes beyond the good or bad binaries of the past.<\/p>\n We should talk about the Napoleonic Code. What was it, and why is it important in understanding this wider story?<\/strong><\/p>\n DA:<\/strong> Since early in the French revolutionary process, France\u2019s finest legal minds had been trying to solve the problem that, even after revolution, people would still say you couldn\u2019t change the law because it was so grounded in history it was as if it just existed. They spent more than a decade working on new systems of law, and what eventually became the Napoleonic Code was drawn from that work.<\/p>\n The extent to which you think Napoleon was personally responsible for shaping it depends on how much of the propaganda you want to believe. It was discussed in front of him, and there was lots of talk about what he wanted it to include. But we can see one of the good aspects of monarchy in Napoleon\u2019s ability as a single figurehead, a single authori- tative will, to push forward the work of a state political class. He got things done, including producing these law codes at the same time as pacifying the nation, which had seen a real breakdown of law and order in the late 1790s. It was just one of the ways in which Napoleon was the physical manifestation of what the revolution had been trying to do for a decade.<\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> [Historian] Geoffrey Ellis wrote that, although we tend to see Napoleon as either Caesar or Charlemagne, he was more compa- rable to [Eastern Roman emperor] Justinian in that his big legacy was civil reorganisation and the implementation of a new revolution- ary structure. Many of its elements still hold sway in some form in the legal systems of France and other European nations.<\/p>\n Modern French history is in many ways a story of centralisation and decentralisation, of people handing off power and taking it back to themselves, culminating in the system we have now, which is much central- ised in that power is concentrated much more in the figure of the president than had been the case beforehand. That in many ways is a product of the story that began in the process of setting up these different codes. When was Napoleon\u2019s reputation at its highest, and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> In terms of his military success, I think the emergence of the Grande Arm\u00e9e [Napole- on\u2019s main fighting force], victory at Austerlitz and the events of 1804 and 1806 represent a period in which he was very dynamic, rising to power, and pushing things forward. There were mini downfalls within that period \u2013 but then there were minor downfalls all the way through Napoleon\u2019s career.<\/p>\n This wasn\u2019t a life or a reign that was straight up or straight down. People also pick and choose the version of Napoleon they want to celebrate, and the version they maybe don\u2019t want to think about too much. That isn\u2019t a very direct answer, but it does, I think, reflect the complexity of his story.<\/p>\n DA:<\/strong> You could also take a different view \u2013 as some of his critics on the political left have \u2013 that the era of \u2018peak Napoleon\u2019 was around 1810 and 1811, when he clearly saw himself as master of Europe. He had monarchs coming to pay court to him, and he was rude and dismissive to all of them. He was in the process of trying to bully Russia into more strongly resisting Britain, and had no diffi- culty imagining defeating Russia militarily Another peak was in 1813, when he used a truce with Austria to build up his military forces \u2013 because, when the peace settlement was over, he was just going to start fighting again, and nobody could stop him. He had an unshakeable belief that he could defeat his enemies and impose his will on them.<\/p>\n Yet another peak came just months later, during those terrible winter battles of early 1814. With only small numbers of troops at his disposal, Napoleon was shuttling back- wards and forwards around the frontiers of France, repeatedly punching Allied armies in the face and making it very difficult for them to advance on Paris. Eventually, of course, they simply mobilised overwhelming num- bers and couldn\u2019t be stopped. Yet there was David, you caused something of a stir this summer when you wrote on Twitter that \u201cNapoleon used the entire resources of state and empire to make himself look cool to future generations\u201d. Do you think people still see Napoleon as being cool?<\/strong><\/p>\n DA:<\/strong> Absolutely, yes \u2013 and the response to making simple, factual statements on the internet demonstrates that quite clearly. You can really annoy a lot of people by suggest- ing that Napoleon is not a stainless hero, or is an anti-democrat or, in the end, a tyrant in the sense in which tyranny had been under- stood since ancient times. He was unaccount- able: he broke things, he broke systems, he broke people.<\/p>\n My old mentor, the historian Norman Hampson, used to say that the reason he couldn\u2019t stand him was because Napoleon said: \u201cMy income is 100,000 men a year.\u201d That\u2019s 100,000 deaths on the battlefield, from diseases in the camp, from horrible, festering wounds, and from all the other things that the pursuit of power via warfare inevitably led to \u2013 and from all the moments when Napoleon didn\u2019t have to start another fight but did so anyway.<\/p>\n We need to come to terms with the fact that, in civil life and in politics, he just wasn\u2019t interested in what anyone else thought, and was never going to cede power even when he paid lip service to doing so.<\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> Napoleon wasn\u2019t the only person who tried to harness the entire resources of the state to make himself look good. He was doing what people had done in political and monarchical leadership for centuries, and what politicians still try to project today. In his [2020] book Men on Horseback, historian David Bell is eloquent on the link between image and charisma, and the importance of the global age of revolutions in forging the image of leadership we have today, which is fundamentally a legacy of Napoleon\u2019s era.<\/p>\n David, you noted that you can annoy a lot of people by suggesting that Napoleon isn\u2019t a stainless hero, but I think you can also annoy an awful lot of people just by mentioning his name. The implication sometimes seems to be that you can\u2019t engage with Napoleon\u2019s legacy because he was simply a very bad man. He was, but that\u2019s why he\u2019s so annoyingly interesting: because he was simultaneously terrible and fascinating, and was able to use his charisma all through his life.<\/p>\n He wasn\u2019t as short as British propaganda would have you believe, but he was very slight, and certainly quite unimpressive as a young man. Yet the fact he was still able to persuade people to such an extent says something about the level of charisma we\u2019re dealing with here.<\/p>\n We\u2019re talking ahead of the release of Ridley Scott\u2019s Napoleon. Does the fact that a film of this scale and budget is being released now, in 2023, surprise you?<\/strong><\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> I\u2019m fascinated by the fact it looks like a very traditional Napoleon film, in the sense that it is a straight biopic. It was originally pitched as being just about his rise to power, which seemed like a more sensible approach, but it now looks as if it\u2019s going to be a start- to-finish retelling. That\u2019s interesting, because films made about Napoleon across the past 20 or 30 years have tended to move away from battlefield dramas to focus much more on the man on a human scale. I\u2019d want to ask Scott about the decision he\u2019s seemingly made to explore the story beyond Napoleon\u2019s rise to power. Could he not resist the lure of big battle sequences? DA:<\/strong> The casting is very strange: Phoenix is almost 50, so a generation older than Napole- on was in the 1790s \u2013 almost the age he was when he died, in fact. If they\u2019d done the whole thing as Napoleon sitting on St Helena reminiscing, that would have made sense, but from what we\u2019ve seen there\u2019s no evidence of that. As a historian, thinking about Napoleon and his charisma, I don\u2019t understand that decision, especially when they have cast a very young actor [Vanessa Kirby] as Jos\u00e9phine.<\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> And, of course, a key aspect of the real Jos\u00e9phine was that she was older than Napoleon. There was a dynamic of survival and power, and of people using each other as well as having a romantic connection.<\/p>\n Given all this complexity, how might people see Napoleon in 50 years\u2019 time?<\/strong><\/p>\n DA:<\/strong> In the 1940s, the Dutch historian Pieter Geyl wrote Napoleon: For and Against, which summarised more than a century of furious argument \u2013 and admitted that there was no resolution. And here we are, 80 years on, still capable of getting riled up by the discussion.<\/p>\n That\u2019s partly because we\u2019re still in a kind of modernity shaped by the Napoleonic legacy \u2013 by its legal codes, but also by a charismatic, demagogic leadership that came into exist- ence in the age of Napoleon and which was fundamentally different from the traditional leadership of the old European monarchies. The ability of leaders to persuade people that they\u2019re going to take them somewhere better sits in permanent contradiction with the idea we have experienced a democratic age. One of the ironies of democracy is that people still very often vote to be ruled rather than to rule themselves. I suspect that, as long as those tensions exist in our culture, people will still go back to Napoleon to look for examples of how to behave \u2013 and how not to behave.<\/p>\n LOB:<\/strong> I agree. I think historians will probably still be having this conversation in 50 years. My only caveat is that I hope some of the shifts we\u2019re already starting to see, away from the old-school for-and-against approach, continue into the future. The ways of think- ing about his legacy through such prisms as gender, culture and imperialism help shift it away from Napoleon in isolation and towards a more complex, nuanced discussion.<\/p>\n One final thought. While I was in Paris over the summer, out of curiosity I went to Les Invalides, where Napoleon is buried, David Bell, who we mentioned earlier, wrote that Napoleon gives us a sense of human possibility for good and bad. The idea that you can make your own destiny is something that Napoleon was obsessed with. I think that continues, and that it probably explains a lot about why he continues to exert such fascination \u2013 and why we\u2019ll doubtlessly still be talking about him in 50 years.<\/p>\n Laura O\u2019Brien is associate professor at Northumbria University. Her current research examines representations of Napoleon in popular culture<\/strong><\/p>\n David Andress is professor of modern history at the University of Portsmouth. 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