{"id":33605,"date":"2024-02-25T22:12:15","date_gmt":"2024-02-25T21:12:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.historyextra.com\/?p=260514"},"modified":"2024-02-26T00:11:37","modified_gmt":"2024-02-25T23:11:37","slug":"there-was-a-general-perception-that-queen-victorias-mourning-was-neither-normal-nor-acceptable","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/bbchistory\/rss_feed\/there-was-a-general-perception-that-queen-victorias-mourning-was-neither-normal-nor-acceptable\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cThere was a general perception that Queen Victoria\u2019s mourning was neither normal nor acceptable\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"> Judith Flanders talks to Rebecca Franks about her new book, which delves into the customs surrounding dying, death and mourning in Victorian Britain <\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By Megan Shersby\n                \t\t<\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Sunday, 25 February 2024 at 21:12 PM<\/p><hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body> <h3><strong>Rebecca Franks:<\/strong> How different was the Victorian view of death to our modern conception of it?<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Judith Flanders:<\/strong> The main difference was that death was part of daily life. It wasn\u2019t neatly tucked away in hospitals where you could go in and visit someone for an hour but didn\u2019t see anyone die. Today, many people now go happily through their whole lives without ever seeing a dead person, which was simply not possible in the 19th century.<\/p>\n<p>Hospitals were very limited in the kinds of diseases and illnesses they cared for, and they were a place of last resort for people who were too poor or desperate to be cared for at home. Infant death was vastly more common than it is today, though that was also simply due to the vagaries of population. There were more young people than there were old people, and infant death therefore accounted for a much larger percentage of death than death in old age.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong><a href=\"\/membership\/victorian-death-rituals-podcast-judith-flanders\/\">Listen to an extended version of our interview with Judith Flanders<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>How did the level of infant mortality impact society?<\/h3>\n<p>For many years there was a theory among historians that because children died so frequently and so young, their parents didn\u2019t care about them \u2013 it wasn\u2019t worth investing emotion into small lives that might soon be lost. However, if you read the scraps of evidence we have regarding the working classes and their responses to children\u2019s deaths, this simply isn\u2019t true.<\/p>\n<p>For instance, we see parents naming their newborns after older siblings who had died. This was previously interpreted as proof of not caring, but it seems to me so obvious that for the most impoverished in society \u2013 particularly in the early part of the 19th century, when permanent gravestones were not common \u2013 this was the only way that they could memorialise their lost children. Because people do love their babies. We don\u2019t have to be terribly smart to know that.<\/p>\n<h3>Your book takes readers through the rites and rituals connected to funerals and mourning, but the story begins with the sickbed. What would it have been like to be sick in Victorian Britain?<\/h3>\n<p>One of the things we\u2019ve forgotten due to the huge medical advances of the 20th century is that people could be in the process of dying for a very long time \u2013 for years, potentially. For example, I read the diary of a teenager who died at around the age of 19, having spent the previous three years suffering from tuberculosis. Initially, she found that she couldn\u2019t go out for walks, before getting so weak that she couldn\u2019t make it down the stairs or even sit up in bed. Unlike today, when we often think of death in three stages that pass relatively quickly \u2013 you\u2019re well, you\u2019re ill, you\u2019re dead \u2013 dying could be this long, tragic process.<\/p>\n<h3>You describe the 19th century as a century of epidemics, with deadly diseases such as cholera sweeping through the general population. How did these threats shape people\u2019s attitudes towards their lives?<\/h3>\n<p>Cholera was the first big epidemic of the 19th century. It arose in south-east Asia and gradually came to Europe via Russia, finally arriving in Britain in 1831 and gathering force the following year. Terrifyingly, most people died of dehydration less than 24 hours after experiencing the first symptoms.<\/p>\n<p>One of the most fascinating things about the first cholera epidemic, however, was that some people denied it was happening. They said it wasn\u2019t that bad, and that others were overreacting. Intelligent people said this, too: the philosopher Thomas Carlyle wrote endless letters saying that cholera didn\u2019t exist, before, in the next paragraph, mentioning that he was going to an awful lot of funerals.<\/p>\n<h3>What was the social role of the funeral in the Victorian period?<\/h3>\n<p>It doesn\u2019t break down very easily into one thing. Around the start of the period the funeral was an orgy of display, reaching a climax in the middle of the 19th century.<\/p>\n<p>This was typified by the funeral of the Duke of Wellington in 1852, which was, without argument, the height of extraordinary over-elaboration. There were more than 10,000 people in the procession, and the funeral car was so large and heavy that an entire regiment of soldiers was required to march behind it, with ropes tied around their waists; whenever the car travelled downhill, they effectively served as its brakes. It was totally crazy, and it revolted a lot of people. From that 1852 moment there was a diminuendo into what was called burial reform, or funeral reform, and things became much less elaborate.<\/p>\n<h3>Was there a moral aspect to these changes?<\/h3>\n<p>Both types of funerals had a moral dimension; in fact, elaborate displays were initially considered a sign of respect for the person who had died. But very originally, in the extravagant heraldic funerals of the aristocracy, the primary function was to commemorate not the character of the deceased, but their position within society. This was emphasised by the fact that the person\u2019s heir \u2013 not their wife or daughter \u2013 often served as the chief mourner, demonstrating that the status quo was being preserved.<\/p>\n<p>It wasn\u2019t until the 19th century that funerals gradually started to become more about the person themselves. Fascinatingly, <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/facts-charles-dickens-writer-children-family-home\/\">Charles Dickens<\/a> once chose not to go to the funeral of a close relative because he did not know them well. He said that he would only pay his respects to somebody he knew and loved.<\/p>\n<h3>Were there any elements of the Victorian funeral that became conventions and consistent over time?<\/h3>\n<p>There were a number of characters \u2013 people provided by the undertaker \u2013 who were, in effect, performers. An example were the funeral mutes, who silently stood at the door of the house from which the coffin was leaving to go to the funeral. They were swathed in black crape \u2013 a dull, matte fabric, used only for mourning or funeral wear \u2013 and would stand outside, holding crape-covered sticks known as wands.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/qa-what-are-the-origins-of-the-mutes-that-attended-victorian-funerals\/\">What are the origins of the \u2018mutes\u2019 that attended Victorian funerals?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>There would also be a person called the featherman, who would carry a tray of black ostrich plumes: a symbol of grief. The hors- es pulling the hearse would be decorated with black plumes, too.<\/p>\n<p>The more prosperous people within society had a particularly odd custom: while the family members and mourners would follow the hearse, the many acquaintances not going to the funeral would send their carriages instead. You would therefore end up with a line of empty carriages following the procession, with the total number indicating the social status of the deceased.<\/p>\n<p>Those were the ideals people were aiming for, but there are many other heartbreaking descriptions from the period. The author of one source describes seeing a couple and their small child walking down the street, with the man carrying another child\u2019s coffin on his shoulder. So not only were they unable to afford plumes and a horse, but they weren\u2019t even able to afford a hand cart in which to place the coffin. In a prosperous funeral, the coffin would typically be covered with a black and white velvet cloth, but in this instance, the coffin was wrapped in the woman\u2019s shawl. This was a token of belonging to a community where niceties were observed. They did what they could.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/victorian-daily-life-working-class-what-like\/\">Victorian daily life: what was it like for \u2018ordinary\u2019 Victorians?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>Were there many rules and customs about etiquette and how one should mourn?<\/h3>\n<p>Oh goodness, yes. There were long lists of mourning clothes, with details of what one should wear following the death of a parent, brother-in-law, niece or nephew, for example. But if your husband died, the guidelines were particularly strict: you were supposed to wear full black mourning wear for a year, after which you could adopt what was known as \u2018half mourning\u2019, which included colours like grey and lavender. After that, you could gradually move into brighter colours if you so chose.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Listen | <a href=\"\/membership\/widows-podcast-history-maggie-andrews\/\">Women in black: the surprising history of widows<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Widows were also supposed to remain at home for 12 months, except to attend church. We know this was not possible for the bulk of the population: people had to work and leave the house for all sorts of reasons. So did it really happen? No. Like most things in life, there\u2019s what you\u2019re supposed to do and then there\u2019s what we know everybody really does.<\/p>\n<h3>So how different was the ideal from the reality overall?<\/h3>\n<p>I was very interested in reading letters and diaries about mourning clothes, as these were the most obvious expression of loss \u2013 particularly for women. Men, on the whole, got away with a lot more. They wore a black armband for a few weeks and that was it, whereas widows were in black crape for a year.<\/p>\n<p>When you read the letters, however, you discover that many people didn\u2019t get new clothes each time they suffered a bereavement, but instead had their old ones dyed because that was all they could afford. Even people of high social status would refrain from getting a new cloak if it proved too expensive.<\/p>\n<p>Instead, they would say things like, \u201cI\u2019ll put some black braid on this one, it\u2019ll be fine\u201d, or they would wear their normal clothes at home and put on their one black dress if they had to go out. Further down the social scale, people would make gestures toward what they could not afford, like buying a black ribbon for their hat. It was an indication that they understood the norms of society and still wanted to belong.<\/p>\n<h3>Could you tell us about the importance of mourning jewellery and hair jewellery? They both seem fascinating\u2026<\/h3>\n<p>And more than a little creepy! Hair jewellery was a big deal: people would cut off locks of their hair and give them to their beloved, their siblings, or their children (this wasn\u2019t only a death thing). However, the trouble with hair is that, after a while, it becomes a little difficult to identify. As a result, people would often incorporate it into pieces of jewellery: often a locket, or the back of a bracelet or ring. There were even specialist hair jewellers, who would plait, twist or tie the hair in some way, so that it made a textured display object.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"\/membership\/when-did-the-practice-of-funeral-rings-beginend-and-how-widespread-was-it\/\">When did the practice of funeral rings begin\/end and how widespread was it?<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>These were very common. So if your father died then you would have a ring with his hair, or if your mother died you would get a locket etc. People had many of these things and a whole industry developed. Some people might also wear a mourning ring, made from black enamel. It would have the initials of the person who died, and perhaps the date of their death.<\/p>\n<h3>And how did gravestones fit into the picture?<\/h3>\n<p>One of the most astonishing things to me was realising that until about the 17th century, gravestones and coffins were not the norm. People were often buried directly in the ground without coffins or permanent memorial markers, and subsequently moved when more space was required in the churchyard. Gravestones were mostly in churches for the aristocracy, and it wasn\u2019t until the 19th century that they were desired by the bulk of society.<\/p>\n<p>Yet often, in the working classes, the family\u2019s savings would be spent during times of illness, so people did not have the money to pay for a grave, much less a gravestone. Sometimes, people who could not afford their own graves were buried in a communal area, at the expense of the parish. Later, when the necessary funds had been raised, the family would go back to the council or parish and say something to the effect of, \u201cWe now have the money to buy a grave, so could we please have Cousin Genevieve back?\u201d, and the deceased would be exhumed and reburied.<\/p>\n<h3>We can\u2019t talk about the Victorian era without discussing its royal figurehead, Queen Victoria. In 1861, when she was 42, her husband, Albert, died. How did she mourn him?<\/h3>\n<p>Ostentatiously. Many people today think that <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/queen-victoria-facts-life-children-prince-albert-husband-marriage-reign\/\">Victoria<\/a>\u2019s mourning was the norm and that the rest of society approved, but neither of those things are true. I spoke to a specialist in grief and mourning, and I think it\u2019s beyond doubt that Victoria suffered from what is today called disordered grief; she was psychologically destroyed by <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/prince-albert-facts-queen-victoria-husband-children-death-cousins-wedding-marriage-itv\/\">Albert<\/a>\u2019s death. If you go through today\u2019s modern psychiatric manual for the condition, she ticks every single box.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/prince-albert-the-death-that-rocked-the-monarchy\/\">Prince Albert: the death that rocked the monarchy<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>For the first couple of years, her doctors were seriously worried about her. They didn\u2019t quite say they thought she was insane, but she was awfully close to it. And because of her social position, she was able to impose her own requirements on everyone around her. I found an anonymously written book by one of the ladies of her household, published about 30 years after Albert\u2019s death, in which she claims that the queen did not allow the women around her to wear lavender, because she thought the colour was too close to pink, and pink was too cheerful.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s also an interesting letter by Mrs Oliphant, a famous novelist of the period. Her husband died young and all her children would die over the course of her lifetime. She says that Victoria has a happy, loving family, and doesn\u2019t have to work, whereas she has to write novels in order to keep her surviving children fed. Basically, she\u2019s saying: \u201cWhat\u2019s Victoria got to be so fussed about? She\u2019s lucky.\u201d<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/queen-victoria-prince-albert-children-who-names-sons-daughters-facts-motherhood-parents\/\">Who were Queen Victoria\u2019s children? Everything you need to know about her sons and daughters<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Overall, there was a general perception that Victoria\u2019s mourning was neither normal nor acceptable. And certainly, there was a view within the government and the royal household that she used her grief as an excuse for doing what she wanted to do. She\u2019d never liked carrying out state duties and so she thought, okay, I\u2019m not going to.<\/p>\n<h3>And in private, her behaviour was unusual. Your book also reveals how she had everything in their home photographed and catalogued so that it would be frozen in time.<\/h3>\n<p>Victoria had this very strange fixation with \u2018stuff\u2019. Over the years, after Albert\u2019s death, anything that he had touched could not be moved. If he had overseen the d\u00e9cor of a room, it was photographed and catalogued. Everything had to be kept exactly the way it was. When curtains, carpets and upholstery faded and wore, duplicates were made. She was the same about her own things: when she died, she still had the dishes she had eaten off as a baby.<\/p>\n<h3>Victoria died in 1901, at the age of 81. What was the public reaction at that point?<\/h3>\n<p>Victoria had been on the throne as long as anyone could remember. At the same time, however, there was a feeling that change was needed. When Victoria died, it had been more than 62 years since her <a href=\"\/period\/victorian\/queen-victoria-coronation\/\">coronation<\/a>, and the people involved in planning the ceremony had long since died. When it came to the coronation of <a href=\"\/period\/edwardian\/edward-vii-who-guide-life-rule-king\/\">Edward VII<\/a> in 1902, everything had to be made up.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more | <a href=\"\/period\/edwardian\/edwardian-era-what-when-guide-timeline\/\">The Edwardian era: a history guide and timeline of Britain in the reign of Edward VII<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Judith Flanders is a historian, author and journalist who specialises in writing about the Victorian period. 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