{"id":44019,"date":"2024-06-14T15:41:29","date_gmt":"2024-06-14T13:41:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/9c1523a3-b75f-4432-8101-1b28838bed4c"},"modified":"2024-06-14T16:36:07","modified_gmt":"2024-06-14T14:36:07","slug":"his-music-reflects-the-human-struggle-to-better-ourselves-the-composer-whos-been-daniel-barenboims-lifelong-fascination","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/bbcmusicmagazine\/rss_feed\/his-music-reflects-the-human-struggle-to-better-ourselves-the-composer-whos-been-daniel-barenboims-lifelong-fascination\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;His music reflects the human struggle to better ourselves&#8217;: the composer who&#8217;s been Daniel Barenboim&#8217;s lifelong fascination"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"><\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By <\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Friday, 14 June 2024 at 13:41 PM<\/p><hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p><strong>Pianist and conductor <a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/who-is-daniel-barenboim\">Daniel Barenboim<\/a>\u2019s lifelong fascination with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/ludwig-van-beethoven\">Beethoven<\/a> has been a defining feature of his career. Now, as Barenboim returns to conduct at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/bbc-proms\/2024-bbc-proms-listings\">2024 BBC Proms<\/a>, we revisit here an interview that Barenboim gave to <em>BBC Music Magazine <\/em>in 2008<em>.<\/em> In it, he told <a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/author\/michael-church\">Michael Church<\/a> about what Beethoven\u2019s works have meant to him, to classical music, and to the world.<\/strong><\/p><script src=\"https:\/\/cdn.jwplayer.com\/players\/xjL98ot4-lqFafnwo.js\"\/><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-composers-who-show-a-path-to-the-future\">Composers who show a path to the future<\/h2><p>\u2018There are composers without whose works we would be poorer \u2013 <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/felix-mendelssohn\">Mendelssohn<\/a><\/strong>, for example \u2013 but the history of music would have developed in the same way without them,' says Daniel Barenboim. 'And then there are those who have left an oeuvre that could be a r\u00e9sum\u00e9 of all that had been written before, and which also shows the path to the future. <\/p><p>'This group includes <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/johann-sebastian-bach\">Bach<\/a><\/strong>, whose music looks forward to <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/arnold-schoenberg\">Schoenberg<\/a><\/strong>; Beethoven, who looks forward to <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/johannes-brahms\">Brahms<\/a><\/strong>, <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/robert-schumann\">Schumann<\/a><\/strong>, and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/richard-wagner\">Wagner<\/a><\/strong>; Wagner himself, and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/claude-debussy\">Debussy<\/a><\/strong>, and in our day, Pierre <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/pierre-boulez\">Boulez<\/a><\/strong>. Which doesn\u2019t mean to say that <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/mozart\">Mozart<\/a><\/strong> didn\u2019t write unique music. He was in some ways the greatest composer of all.\u2019<\/p><ul><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/50-greatest-composers-all-time\">The 50 greatest composers of all time<\/a><\/strong><\/li><\/ul><p>So what\u2019s unique about Beethoven? \u2018We could start by saying what he was not. He was not carefree. There\u2019s nothing in his music that makes you think of acrobatics, as with <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/niccolo-paganini\">Paganini<\/a><\/strong> or <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/franz-liszt\">Liszt<\/a><\/strong>. No virtuosity for virtuosity\u2019s sake \u2013 his virtuosity served the experience he wanted to communicate: of being human. Of being deep, humorous, thoughtful \u2013 and of being able to do things which other mortals are not able to do.\u2019<\/p><ul><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/works\/top-20-beethoven-works\">Best of Beethoven: top 20 works<\/a><\/strong><\/li><\/ul><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-beethoven-the-struggle-to-simplify\">Beethoven: the struggle to simplify<\/h2><p>Watching the DVDs of Barenboim\u2019s Beethoven master classes, one notes how frequently he reverts to the idea of struggle \u2013 of consciously pushing oneself to the limit, both technically and emotionally. Is that struggle the key? \u2018People have for centuries identified his music with this idea, and rightly so. But I don\u2019t want to cheapen it by saying he was struggling against his deafness, or Napoleon\u2019s autocratic nature \u2013 those things are totally unimportant. <\/p><p>'Instead, what his music reflects is the struggle of the human being to better himself \u2013 the struggle to change, and also to simplify. If you look at Beethoven\u2019s sketchbooks, you see him struggling to simplify his ideas, which usually came to him in a form too complex for his taste \u2013 he worked to distil them. All his work moves from being complicated to being simple, and more concise. Whereas Schoenberg went in the opposite direction \u2013 starting with a simple idea, a tone row, and then seeing what he could do with it.\u2019<\/p><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-early-middle-and-late-beethoven\">Early, Middle and Late Beethoven<\/h2><p>On the vexed question of where the demarcations come between early, middle and late periods, Barenboim regards the borders as fuzzy. \u2018It\u2019s a matter of stylistic differences rather than chronological correlation. The early period shows that he was already a great composer, showing much greater scope and depth in his slow movements than <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/composers\/joseph-haydn\">Haydn<\/a><\/strong> and Mozart achieved in theirs. <\/p><p>'The slow movement of Op. 7 already gives an inkling of where he will arrive in the so-called late period. The middle period \u2013 which you start to sense in the <em>Tempest <\/em>Sonata, and which includes the <em>Waldstein<\/em> and <em>Appassionata<\/em> \u2013 is broader and more symphonic in form, without abandoning the early virtuosity.<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Beethoven | Piano Sonata No. 17 in D minor, &quot;The Tempest&quot; | Daniel Barenboim\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/tiJjoFQtMvg?list=PLWWK8aRuZ32nImq8GDsuwc-JkxnqSClsJ\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen=\"\"\/><\/div><\/figure><p>\u2018The late period starts with Op. 101, with Op. 90 forming the transition to it. But as for the conventional image of the older person who has mellowed and accepts what he cannot change \u2013 this is absolutely not the case with Beethoven, because late Beethoven is anything but mellow. On the contrary, it\u2019s as if he\u2019s saying \u201cI\u2019ve been through all that, and now I don\u2019t care any more. I\u2019m going to break with all convention. I\u2019m just giving you my outpourings, and it\u2019s up to you the listener to find a logic in them.\u201d <\/p><p>'The logic is there, but it\u2019s hidden. The first movement of Op.\u202f111 is pure sonata form, but you need to be a master of occult science to find it. What you get at first sight is a very abrupt breaking of all rules.\u2019 Late Beethoven, he adds, studiously avoids the piano\u2019s middle register, where it sounds most mellifluous: \u2018He wanted extremes. Everything breaks with the expected.\u2019 Barenboim says his interpretations are changing all the time, though he can\u2019t pinpoint specifically how.<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Beethoven Sonata N\u00b0 32 Daniel Barenboim\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ccyHT1sFmsg?list=PLWWK8aRuZ32nImq8GDsuwc-JkxnqSClsJ\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen=\"\"\/><\/div><\/figure><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-on-performing-beethoven\">On performing Beethoven<\/h2><p>Whatever his probing intellect touches gets drawn into the central drama: for example, he\u2019s often spoken of the \u2018courage\u2019 required to render Beethoven\u2019s characteristic <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/musical-terms\/what-is-a-crescendo\">crescendo<\/a><\/strong> followed by a sudden softening of tone. \u2018This is because you have to adopt the line of greatest resistance. It\u2019s much easier not to take the crescendo right to the end, so as to prepare yourself comfortably for the <em>subito<\/em> <em>piano<\/em>. <\/p><p>'Going right to the end is like going to the edge of a precipice. The easy option is not the best.\u2019 In his first 2005 Reith Lecture, Barenboim developed a concept he dubbed \u2018the tragedy of the dying sound\u2019, suggesting that there was a quasi-gravitational pull drawing every sound down into silence.<\/p><p>When did he start viewing music in this metaphysical light? He laughs: \u2018I\u2019ve written my book, and just delivered the manuscript to the publishers!\u2019 But at what age did that particular concept form in his mind? \u2018My father always said \u201cBefore you play, think\u201d, so this was instilled in me from an early age. And he initiated me into philosophy at 13. But that idea just evolved in my mind. <\/p><p>'Even when I was conducting the English Chamber Orchestra [in the mid 1960s], I was always asking them to sustain the sound more, to prolong it, though at that time I could not articulate in words what effect I was after. I just had an instinct for this idea.\u2019<\/p><p><em>Excerpted from an interview by Michael Church. The interview appeared in full in the January 2008 issue of BBC Music Magazine. <\/em><\/p><p> <\/p> <\/body><\/html>\n<hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Published: Friday, 14 June 2024 at 13:41 PM Pianist and conductor Daniel Barenboim\u2019s lifelong fascination with Beethoven has been a defining feature of his career. Now, as Barenboim returns to conduct at the 2024 BBC Proms, we revisit here an interview that Barenboim gave to BBC Music Magazine in 2008. 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