{"id":44139,"date":"2024-06-30T10:06:30","date_gmt":"2024-06-30T08:06:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/575fb73c-8aa7-4104-bf1f-85916946ffd7"},"modified":"2024-06-30T10:36:11","modified_gmt":"2024-06-30T08:36:11","slug":"one-audience-member-told-me-i-should-be-in-the-kitchen-making-children-why-are-there-still-so-few-female-conductors","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/bbcmusicmagazine\/rss_feed\/one-audience-member-told-me-i-should-be-in-the-kitchen-making-children-why-are-there-still-so-few-female-conductors\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;One audience member told me I should be in the kitchen, making children&#8217;. Why are there still so few female conductors?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"><\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By <\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Sunday, 30 June 2024 at 08:06 AM<\/p><hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>In 2012, I wrote an article for <em>The Independent <\/em>saying that the world of classical music was sexist and misogynistic up to its back teeth. First, the response was spluttering outrage; next, a deluge of action. Or so it seemed. A decade on, I\u2019m asking whether anything has changed. This is the first of two articles. Next time I\u2019ll look at composers. First, in the wake of the film<em> T\u00e1r<\/em>, it is conductors. Specifically, <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/best-female-conductors\">female conductors<\/a><\/strong>.\u00a0<\/p><p>These two fields are perhaps the areas where the gender imbalance is most visible. Sometimes my interviewees ask me why we are even talking about such things: surely everybody should be considered for their artistry, not gender, racial identity or any other extra-musical issue? Of course, that would be the ideal&#8230;<\/p><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-what-percent-of-conductors-are-female\">What percent of conductors are female?<\/h2><p>In 2023, just 11.2 per cent of conductors represented by artist managements were female. The figure had more than doubled since 2017, when it was 5.5 per cent. Yes, it\u2019s better, but the number is still pitiful. A great deal more work is needed to make a meaningful impact.<\/p><p>When <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/who-is-marin-alsop-a-guide-to-the-acclaimed-american-conductor-and-her-best-recordings\">Marin Alsop<\/a><\/strong> became the first woman ever to conduct the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/bbc-proms\/last-night-of-the-proms-all-you-need-to-know\">Last Night of the Proms<\/a><\/strong>, she spoke of her \u2018shock\u2019 that there \u2018can still be firsts for women in 2013\u2019. It was a symbolic breakthrough. <em><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/tv-and-film-music\/tar-cate-blanchett-on-portraying-a-conductor-in-new-psychodrama\">T\u00e1r<\/a><\/strong> \u2013 <\/em>a film depicting a female conductor\u2019s abuse of power \u2013 has done the cause few favours, but at least it assumed the likelihood that a woman could become chief conductor of the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/berlin-philharmonic\">Berlin Philharmonic<\/a><\/strong>. That plotline was only possible because under the podium the tectonic plates are shifting, if slowly.<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Marin Alsop's speech at the Last Night of the Proms 2013\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/o9Lxk7LRiBI?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" allowfullscreen=\"\"\/><\/div><\/figure><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-women-are-more-likely-to-lead-a-g7-nation-than-a-major-american-orchestra\">Women are more likely to lead a G7 nation than a major American orchestra<\/h2><p>In 2002, with financial support from Tomio Taki, Alsop started the <a href=\"https:\/\/takialsop.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Taki Alsop Conducting Fellowship<\/strong><\/a> (TACF) to mentor female conductors. Its website notes that fewer than ten per cent of the world\u2019s conductors are female: \u2018In 2002, it was more likely that a woman could become the leader of a G7 nation or a four-star officer in the US military than become the conductor of a major American orchestra. In 2023, these odds have not changed.\u2019<\/p><p>The TACF offers two years of intensive coaching and mentoring with Alsop and others, plus financial honorariums. Among its alumnae are Karina Canellakis, Valentina Peleggi, Alondra de la Parra, Mei-Ann Chen, Lidiya Yankovskaya and Chlo\u00e9 van Soeterst\u00e8de.\u00a0<\/p><p>Alsop is chief conductor at the Ravinia Festival. Here, in 2022, she inaugurated Breaking Barriers, a festival within a festival, focusing on the achievements of under-represented and diverse artists and leaders in music. Female conductors were spotlighted in 2022, composers in 2023. I caught up with her to ask how much progress has been made over the past decade.<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Marin Alsop, the first woman to conduct a major US orchestra &#8211; and the Last Night of the Proms. Pic: Anthony Wallace\/AFP via Getty Images &#8211; Pic: ANTHONY WALLACE\/AFP via Getty Images<\/figcaption><\/figure><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-metoo-moving-things-forward\">#MeToo: moving things forward<\/h2><p>\u2018Things were changing glacially. The #MeToo and Black Lives Matter movements were the catalyst to move things forward substantively. Without that, I don\u2019t think we would be any further on. Orchestras could have had women on the podium and performed the music of women composers 50 years ago, but usually they chose not to. And they chose not to until they couldn\u2019t choose not to. That said, many orchestras took this opportunity to dramatically move forward.\u2019<\/p><p>Conductors depend on opportunities to practise their craft \u2013 in short, they need orchestras \u2013 and here, too, signs are encouraging. \u2018Every time we have applicants for the TACF, the level jumps hugely. That gives me hope that women are getting enough time on the podium to learn their skills.\u2019<\/p><p>Mei-Ann Chen, who is chief conductor of the Grosses Orchester Graz in Austria among other posts, loved her time with TACF. \u2018Marin has launched around 30 young female conductors into the profession, and that has created ripple effects.\u2019 For her, TACF was both launch pad and support system. \u2018It was wonderful to have that camaraderie and share wisdom, with Marin as the matriarch who has faced so many challenges and could advise us. That\u2019s priceless. She had to try to break the barriers by herself.\u2019<\/p><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-marin-is-the-matriarch-who-has-faced-so-many-challenges-and-can-advise-us-that-s-priceless\">&#8216;Marin is the matriarch who has faced so many challenges and can advise us. That\u2019s priceless.&#8217; <\/h3><p>Chen suggests that now the challenges are time \u2013 and the glass ceiling. \u2018Yes, we have more women in the industry, and some men say we are locking arms, trying to keep this door open. But who knows? When the #MeToo movement is forgotten, there\u2019s a risk that things will go backwards. <\/p><p>&#8216;We\u2019re racing with time \u2013 any social movement can be short. Orchestras planning several years ahead need to keep employing women conductors, not just for the social movement now, but for the quality they bring.\u2019<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2244\" height=\"1496\" src=\"https:\/\/c02.purpledshub.com\/uploads\/sites\/43\/2024\/06\/MeiAnnChen_KristinHoebermann_cmyk.jpg\" alt=\"Mei-Ann Chen, chief conductor of the Grosses Orchester Graz in Austria\" class=\"wp-image-207232\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Mei-Ann Chen: &#8216;We\u2019re racing with time \u2013 any social movement can be short&#8217;. Pic: Kristin Hoebermann &#8211; Kristin Hoebermann<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>Lidiya Yankovskaya is also a TACF alumna and a fast-rising star. Until recently, she was music director of the Chicago Opera Theatre, and her UK debut in 2023, conducting <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/news\/henryk-gorecki-1933-2010\">G\u00f3recki<\/a><\/strong>\u2019s \u2018Symphony of Sorrowful Songs\u2019 for English National Opera, made a strong impression. She doesn\u2019t mince her words about the challenges she has faced. \u2018There\u2019s a misconception that we\u2019ve changed things more than we have. That\u2019s because we started in a place that was so bad.\u00a0<\/p><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-there-s-a-misconception-that-we-ve-changed-things-more-than-we-have-that-s-because-we-started-in-a-place-that-was-so-bad\">&#8216;There\u2019s a misconception that we\u2019ve changed things more than we have. That\u2019s because we started in a place that was so bad.&#8217;\u00a0<\/h3><p>\u2018After I became a professional, some major conductors came out saying women shouldn\u2019t be conductors. This wasn\u2019t long ago, and it was multiple individuals in my life. Most people I was assisting or studying with were older men and they were very supportive. It was often people around my own age who were telling me that women shouldn\u2019t conduct. I got hate mail. One audience member used a fake email address and sent me a poem about how I should be in the kitchen, making children.\u2019\u00a0<\/p><p>But she does have children \u2013 and attitudes she has encountered in the industry towards women with families beggar belief. \u2018When I got the job at the Chicago Opera Theatre, five organisations of different sizes and profiles, including major ones, had been interviewing me. COT was the only place at which my interview process did not start with: \u201cDo you have children? Are you planning to? How will that impact your career?\u201d It\u2019s not even legal in the US to ask that question in\u00a0an interview!\u00a0<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1646\" src=\"https:\/\/c02.purpledshub.com\/uploads\/sites\/43\/2024\/06\/Lidiya_ToddRosenberg_cmyk-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Conductor Lidiya Yankovskaya\" class=\"wp-image-207234\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Lidiya Yankovskaya: &#8216;One audience member sent me a poem about how I should be in the kitchen, making children.\u2019 Pic: Todd Rosenberg &#8211; Todd Rosenberg<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>\u2018A decade later, no one says to me directly that women can\u2019t or shouldn\u2019t conduct. Maybe they don\u2019t dare. When audience members approach me and raise the subject, it\u2019s usually because they\u2019re happy that there\u2019s a woman on the podium, not because they believe that women shouldn\u2019t be there. That\u2019s a huge change.\u2019<\/p><p>What about the glass ceiling? Mei-Ann Chen points out that \u2018orchestras will engage women as conductors, but it seems much harder for them to appoint a woman as an artistic leader. In America, after Baltimore, I\u2019m waiting to see Marin take over a <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/big-five-orchestras\">Big Five orchestra<\/a><\/strong>. It\u2019s time! Who is going to be that brave one?\u2019<\/p><p>Last summer, Alsop was appointed artistic director and principal conductor of the Polish National Radio Symphony Orchestra \u2013 in a country where women\u2019s rights were deeply damaged under the former right-wing government. \u2018I like the idea of effecting change from the inside,\u2019 she says, with a smile.\u00a0<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Conductor orchestrates impressive encore by giving birth before returning to stage\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/wyJ2DFuNl6A?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen=\"\"\/><\/div><\/figure><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-in-the-uk-we-re-laggards\">&#8216;In the UK, we&#8217;re laggards&#8217;<\/h3><p>Europe is doing slightly better in regard to chief conductors, with Chen in Graz, <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/dalia-stasevska\">Dalia Stasevska<\/a><\/strong> in Lahti, Zoi Tsokanou in Thessaloniki, and Joana Mallwitz recently named general music director of the Konzerthausorchester Berlin. Finnish conductor <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/news\/susanna-m-lkki-appointed-principal-guest-conductor-la-philharmonic\">Susanna M\u00e4lkki<\/a><\/strong> is now chief conductor emeritus of the Helsinki Philharmonic.<\/p><ul><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/best-finnish-conductors\">Five of the best: Finnish conductors<\/a><\/strong><\/li><\/ul><p>In the UK, we\u2019re laggards. Several UK major professional orchestras have female principal guest conductors \u2013 the London Philharmonic has Canellakis, the BBC Symphony Orchestra has Stasevska and the Philharmonia has\u2026 Alsop. But only one currently has a female principal conductor: the <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/bbc-concert-orchestra\">BBC Concert Orchestra<\/a><\/strong>, with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/who-is-anna-maria-helsing\"><strong>Anna-Maria Helsing<\/strong><\/a>.\u00a0<\/p><p>Change has been more rapid at training level, without which nothing can develop in the profession. The Dallas Opera launched its Hart Institute for Women Conductors in 2015, since when more than 500 conductors from 40 countries have applied to take part. At the Royal Academy of Music, head of conducting Sian Edwards and <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/news\/conductor-jane-glover-awarded-damehood-in-2021-new-years-honours\">Jane Glover<\/a><\/strong> have initiated a programme for female conductors hoping to undertake postgraduate courses. A Paris-based competition for women conductors, La Maestra, runs its third session in March 2024 and has an associated \u2018academy\u2019. \u00a0<\/p><h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-a-vital-change-maker\">A vital change-maker<\/h2><p>The conductor Alice Farnham has been a vital change-maker. She created courses to introduce female music students to conducting, in collaboration with Andrea Brown and Morley College; under the auspices of the Royal Philharmonic Society, this became RPS Women Conductors. Now they have a new scheme at advanced level with the Royal Northern Sinfonia, supported by the North Music Trust.\u00a0<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1410\" src=\"https:\/\/c02.purpledshub.com\/uploads\/sites\/43\/2024\/06\/AliceFarnham_CatherineAshmore_cmyk-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Conductor Alice Farnham with a student at RPS Women Conductors \" class=\"wp-image-207229\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Alice\u00a0Farnham puts a student through her paces at RPS Women Conductors. Pic: Catherine Ashmore &#8211; Catherine Ashmore<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>\u2018It\u2019s a chance for these conductors to work in front of an orchestra without auditioning and it\u2019s been hugely positive for the orchestra as well,\u2019 Farnham says. She has just brought out a book, <em>In Good Hands: The Making of a Modern Conductor.<\/em> The issue of women in the profession is restricted to one chapter, headed \u2018We Need to Talk about Breasts\u2019.\u00a0<\/p><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-some-things-are-looking-up-but-there-s-still-a-long-way-to-go\">&#8216;Some things are looking up \u2013 but there\u2019s still a long way to go&#8217;\u00a0<\/h3><p>\u2018The climate has changed a lot. Ten years ago, I felt I was invisible. That\u2019s no longer the case. And now there are loads of women coming through.\u2019 She terms it \u2018a numbers game\u2019; just as not every male conductor can be brilliant, neither can every female conductor, so the more that are trained, the more chance there is that the best will emerge.\u00a0<\/p><ul><li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.classical-music.com\/features\/artists\/20-greatest-conductors-all-time\">The 20 greatest conductors of all time<\/a><\/strong><\/li><\/ul><p>So what happens next? It\u2019s evident that women in music, and conductors in particular, are still viewed as a \u2018minority\u2019 concern. But women are not a minority. They are more than half the population. The purpose of these exercises is to reach the point where special schemes, courses, competitions, discussions and reports are no longer needed, because gender equality is a given. Some things are looking up \u2013 but there\u2019s still a long way to go. \u00a0<\/p><p><em>This article first appeared in the February 2024 issue of BBC Music Magazine<\/em><\/p> <\/body><\/html>\n<hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Published: Sunday, 30 June 2024 at 08:06 AM In 2012, I wrote an article for The Independent saying that the world of classical music was sexist and misogynistic up to its back teeth. First, the response was spluttering outrage; next, a deluge of action. Or so it seemed. 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