{"id":17456,"date":"2022-06-24T13:56:59","date_gmt":"2022-06-24T11:56:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/?p=1668671"},"modified":"2022-06-24T14:29:22","modified_gmt":"2022-06-24T12:29:22","slug":"the-black-phones-ethan-hawke-playing-villains-could-be-a-new-chapter","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/radiotimes\/rss_feed\/the-black-phones-ethan-hawke-playing-villains-could-be-a-new-chapter\/","title":{"rendered":"The Black Phone\u2019s Ethan Hawke: \u2018Playing villains could be a new chapter\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"><\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By Patrick Cremona\n                \t\t<\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Friday, 24 June 2022 at 12:00 am<\/p><hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>Until recently, Ethan Hawke was not the sort of actor you\u2019d generally associate with villainous roles \u2013 but 2022 has seen the Before Sunrise star play not one but two major antagonists.<\/p>\n<p>Earlier in the year, he starred as cult leader Arthur Harrow in Marvel\u2019s <a href=\"\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/tv\/sci-fi\/moon-knight-release-date-mcu\/&quot;\" target=\"&quot;_blank&quot;\" rel=\"&quot;noopener&quot; noopener noreferrer\">Moon Knight<\/a>, and now he\u2019s playing an even darker character in Scott Derrickson\u2019s chilling new horror flick The Black Phone \u2013 a masked child kidnapper known only as The Grabber.<\/p>\n<p>Despite Derrickson\u2019s claims that he initially didn\u2019t think Hawke would agree to take on the role, the star revealed in an exclusive interview with <a href=\"\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/&quot;\" target=\"&quot;_blank&quot;\" rel=\"&quot;noopener&quot; noopener noreferrer\">RadioTimes.com<\/a> that he didn\u2019t need too much convincing \u2013 and suggested it could even mark the start of a new phase in his career.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"&quot;twitter-tweet&quot;\" data-dnt=\"&quot;true&quot;\"><p lang=\"&quot;en&quot;\" dir=\"&quot;ltr&quot;\">Ethan Hawke&#8217;s terrifying new horror movie <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/TheBlackPhone?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&quot;\">#TheBlackPhone<\/a> is out now in UK cinemas \u2013 and director Scott Derrickson has told us how the actor accepted the role&#8230;. in character. <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/t.co\/wBq4D93M1u&quot;\">pic.twitter.com\/wBq4D93M1u<\/a><\/p>\u2014 Radio Times (@RadioTimes) <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/twitter.com\/RadioTimes\/status\/1539670897543352320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&quot;\">June 22, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote><script async=\"\" src=\"&quot;https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js&quot;\" charset=\"&quot;utf-8&quot;\"\/><p>\u201cI think if you stay at this job long enough, you have to keep changing,\u201d he explained. \u201cAnd as you age, different parts come your way. I went through a period of the young ingenue parts and then you start playing a dad and maybe then you start playing villains.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis was my first villain, really, and so it feels like a start of a new chapter. Maybe I\u2019ll become the Christopher Lee of my generation or something, or Vincent Price!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He added: \u201cI really put it off and put it off. But I\u2019d had a great experience working on Sinister with Scott, and I felt really safe with him because he understands this genre, about how to make a scary movie and how to build one \u2013 and I just wanted to do a good job.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd I wasn\u2019t sure how to because I\u2019d never done this kind of mask work, and I didn\u2019t know what it would be. But I knew that vocally, you know, there\u2019s the great Bob Dylan line that if anybody is wearing a mask you know they\u2019re telling you the truth, and anybody who\u2019s not wearing a mask you know they\u2019re lying \u2013 it\u2019s a kind of Zen koan.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut I knew that once you take away the face, body language and voice become absolutely essential, and it has a different kind of power to it. So mostly, I just trusted Scott and I just tried to throw myself at him.\u201d<\/p> <p>Given just how despicable The Grabber is, you might wonder how Hawke was able to find a way into the character \u2013 how he was able to approach him from an empathetic view.<\/p>\n<p>And he admitted that this proved to be more of a challenge than for most of the roles he\u2019s played in the past.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNormally throughout my career, I would say I see myself as my character\u2019s lawyer,\u201d he explained. \u201cI kind of look at it from their point of view and justify their actions from their point of view. But this person\u2019s just flat out broken, I don\u2019t think he has a meaningful point of view. I think he\u2019s damaged goods and kind of starts to represent this mysterious force for evil.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd so I tried to see him like that \u2013 a really wounded animal doesn\u2019t need to make sense, they\u2019re just trying to stay alive. And they can be vicious for no reason. And so I tried to look at it like that, almost like a broken switchboard too, just wires not crossing and not connecting, sparks flying for no reason that you know of.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"&quot;post__content&quot;\">\n<div class=\"&quot;editor-content\" mb-lg=\"\" hidden-print=\"\" js-piano-locked-content=\"\">\n<p><strong>The Black Phone is in cinemas now. 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For more from the biggest stars in TV, listen to the\u00a0<a href=\"\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/podcasts\/&quot;\" target=\"&quot;_blank&quot;\" rel=\"&quot;noopener noopener noreferrer\" noreferrer=\"\" data-auth=\"&quot;NotApplicable&quot;\" data-linkindex=\"&quot;1&quot;\">Radio Times podcast<\/a> with Jane Garvey.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div><\/body><\/html>\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Patrick Cremona Published: Friday, 24 June 2022 at 12:00 am Until recently, Ethan Hawke was not the sort of actor you\u2019d generally associate with villainous roles \u2013 but 2022 has seen the Before Sunrise star play not one but two major antagonists. 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