{"id":17733,"date":"2022-06-30T14:49:22","date_gmt":"2022-06-30T12:49:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/?p=1671506"},"modified":"2022-06-30T15:15:08","modified_gmt":"2022-06-30T13:15:08","slug":"adrian-lester-talks-the-undeclared-war","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/radiotimes\/rss_feed\/adrian-lester-talks-the-undeclared-war\/","title":{"rendered":"Adrian Lester talks The Undeclared War"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"><\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By Katie Wright\n                \t\t<\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 12:00 am<\/p><hr class=\"wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p><em>This interview was originally published in Radio Times magazine.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Having played Henry V, it was only a matter of time before Adrian Lester brought his statesmanlike demeanour to a contemporary leader. And so, in Peter Kosminsky\u2019s new drama <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/tv\/drama\/undeclared-war-release-date-channel-4\/&quot;\">The Undeclared War<\/a>, a six-part thriller set in 2024 that depicts a cyber attack on the UK from Russia, Lester is cast as the Prime Minister.<\/p>\n<p>His character has ousted Boris Johnson in a coup to take control of the Conservative Party and country, but comes from an equally privileged background. \u201cEvery part of that situation is a real tangible thing that we have around us today,\u201d says Lester. But a black PM? \u201cA black PM in Britain\u2019s future will happen. It\u2019s just a case of when,\u201d the 53-year-old actor adds. \u201cIn our multicultural society, it is inevitable that there will be a prime minister of colour at some point.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Researching a modern-day politician, of whatever rank or party, was easy, says Lester. He simply watched Question Time, listened to the Today programme and noted how politicians seem to answer questions\u2026 but never actually do. \u201cI started pulling up interviews, and watched politicians speak the truth without saying anything that could be pulled out and wrapped around a different argument and fired back at them. That\u2019s how politicians speak. They never use specifics, because any specifics mean three days later your answer can be fired back at you. So, politicians speak with an absence of facts and use opaque responses.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Episode one of the Channel 4 drama hinges on the global hacking of the internet and, thanks to the work of an intern at GCHQ, the discovery of malware at the heart of the British communications systems. Is Lester familiar with hacking, coding and general computerisation?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAt heart, I\u2019m analogue,\u201d he confesses. \u201cI\u2019m one of those people who has to buy something if they walk past a stationery shop. If I was in the psychiatrist\u2019s chair they would note that I still have to make marks with a pen on a piece of paper. And yes, I still have my vinyl collection, although I do value the era of MiniDiscs. I talked about MiniDiscs to my children the other day and they said, \u2018What?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We are currently in something of a golden age of TV drama, and Lester is at the pinnacle of that world, having recently featured in ITV\u2019s <a href=\"\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/tv\/drama\/trigger-point-season-2-release-date\/&quot;\" target=\"&quot;_blank&quot;\" rel=\"&quot;noopener&quot; noopener noreferrer\">Trigger Point<\/a> and Mike Bartlett\u2019s BBC drama Life. He\u2019s also a hit on stage, having just been nominated for a best actor Tony for his Broadway debut in The Lehman Trilogy.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI want to play different people all the time,\u201d says Lester, whose TV credits also include several series as professional fraudster Mickey Stone in BBC1 hit Hustle. \u201cHustle worked really well for me because every week, my character was a different character. I\u2019m not the kind of actor who\u2019s going to fit well with a long-running series unless that series offers me the chance to be in new and different situations every week. And I like what I do on stage, where you research a character, work hard on it and then walk away.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"&quot;image-handler__container\" image-handler__container--aspect=\"\" style=\"&quot;padding-bottom:\" calc=\"\"> <picture><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=299%2C199,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=299%2C199,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=354%2C236,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=354%2C236,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=404%2C269,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=404%2C269,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=554%2C369,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(max-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=554%2C369,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(min-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=620%2C413,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(min-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=620%2C413,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(min-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=407%2C271,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(min-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=407%2C271,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(min-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?webp=true&amp;quality=90&amp;resize=555%2C370,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/webp&quot;\"><source media=\"&quot;(min-width:\" data-srcset=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=555%2C370,\" https:=\"\" type=\"&quot;image\/jpeg&quot;\"><img class=\"&quot;wp-image-1663726\" align=\"\" size-landscape_thumbnail=\"\" image-handler__image=\"\" image-handler__image--aspect=\"\" no-wrap=\"\" js-lazyload=\"\" data-src=\"&quot;https:\/\/images.immediate.co.uk\/production\/volatile\/sites\/3\/2022\/06\/679391S1Ep1The-Undeclared-War-Ep1-1-3859732.jpg?quality=90&amp;resize=620%2C413&quot;\" width=\"&quot;620&quot;\" height=\"&quot;413&quot;\" alt=\"&quot;&quot;\" title=\"&quot;&quot;\"\/><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/source><\/picture><\/div><div class=\"&quot;caption-hold&quot;\"><figcaption class=\"&quot;wp-caption-text&quot;\"><span class=\"&quot;caption-copy&quot;\"><i class=\"&quot;icon-arrow\" icon-camera-circle=\"\"\/> Adrian Lester as Andrew Makinde in The Undeclared War<\/span><\/figcaption><span class=\"&quot;im-image-caption&quot;\"\/><\/div>\n<p>Following the success of Hustle, Lester made a move to the US. I was at the Cannes Film Festival in 1998 at which he starred in the festival\u2019s opening movie, Primary Colors. It earned him a nomination from the Chicago Film Critics\u2019 Association for most promising actor and seemed like a first step into the inevitable Hollywood career. That didn\u2019t quite happen, yet if this is frustrating for him, Lester doesn\u2019t reveal it, perhaps because he has flourished so much elsewhere.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a much wider field. Hollywood is struggling to find new ideas and new mediums, and keeping up with the changing face of media, whereas TV drama has been doing this for a while. One of the key moments was when <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/streaming\/netflix\/&quot;\">Netflix<\/a> had the idea that if you were in Britain and tuned into Netflix, you didn\u2019t get American Netflix. You got British Netflix with British actors. The same thing happened in Spain and in France. It means the gates to production and a platform for brilliant new voices can be accessed by the entire world.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Meaning greater diversity in performers?<\/p>\n<p>We are on the phone, but I sense Lester is bracing himself yet again for the question about being a black performer who helms prestigious TV series, and his views on how easy or otherwise that is. It ought not to be necessary to ask it, but it is. Still.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEveryone has a different path,\u201d he says. \u201cYour own story \u2013 my own story \u2013 is not an indication of an industry-wide problem unless you can find a truth that sits within the entire industry. There is an absolute line of truth that sits behind what made actors like Lennie James, David Harewood and Idris Elba leave the country for the US. It has been a problem throughout our entire industry.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen we were in lockdown and George Floyd was murdered, the entire western population had to realise there is something very wrong with society. After the Floyd atrocity, every company looked at the way in which they might be adding to the problem. So the Oscars start to shift, and Bafta starts to shift, and movies and films that are greenlit start to shift.\u201d He sounds glad, but also angry.<\/p> <p>\u201cPeople like Lenny Henry and Lennie James have been in this industry for 30-plus years and have spoken about the problem again and again. But it\u2019s only been in the past five years that the industry has started to look at itself and take note.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Lester pauses. \u201cIt is why the brilliant talent we lost to the US are actors who now feel they have the cachet and status to come back and take roles they wouldn\u2019t have been given otherwise. We all have kids and we want to make sure they grow up in a different world. We have shouted about the problem, we have done a great job, but there\u2019s no room for complacency.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We talk about the BBC licence fee and Channel 4 losing its protected status and being privatised. \u201cOnce the money is at risk, people try to mitigate by being more narrowminded about what is put out there. Once the Government starts to threaten channels like Channel 4, channels that don\u2019t adhere to the rules of just making money, the channel will stop thinking outside the box.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He is a passionate advocate of our homegrown drama. \u201cThe best things from American TV drama are modelled on what British TV drama did. Shows of 60 minutes with no adverts. Shows where you can sit with a character and watch them slowly develop. That flavour. That form. That identity. I love it when I see that on Netflix or <a href=\"&quot;https:\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/streaming\/amazon-prime-video\/&quot;\">Amazon<\/a>, but you know, BBC iPlayer was there first. We forget that we have this ability to do [drama] so well, but it only happens when producers don\u2019t think about profit.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Undeclared War starts tonight, 30th June 2022, at 9pm on Channel 4. Looking for something else to watch? 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