{"id":2526,"date":"2021-07-31T10:00:08","date_gmt":"2021-07-31T08:00:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.radiotimes.com\/?p=1298540"},"modified":"2021-07-31T10:00:08","modified_gmt":"2021-07-31T08:00:08","slug":"peter-capaldi-shares-the-strange-relief-of-leaving-doctor-who-and-why-he-was-happy-to-go-darker-in-the-suicide-squad","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/radiotimes\/rss_feed\/peter-capaldi-shares-the-strange-relief-of-leaving-doctor-who-and-why-he-was-happy-to-go-darker-in-the-suicide-squad\/","title":{"rendered":"Peter Capaldi shares the strange \u201crelief\u201d of leaving Doctor Who \u2013 and why he was happy to go darker in The Suicide Squad"},"content":{"rendered":"

As The Thinker, Peter Capaldi goes full supervillain, and he says he feels more like himself than ever. <\/p>

By Huw Fullerton\n \t\t<\/p>

Published: Saturday, 31 July 2021 at 12:00 am<\/p>

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After spending years taking on sci-fi supervillains and mad scientists in Doctor Who<\/a>, Peter Capaldi has finally become one himself for James Gunn\u2019s The Suicide Squad<\/a>. As The Thinker, Capaldi is a darker, more dangerous take on a super-genius with a penchant for unusual clothes \u2013 but despite the shared genre, apparently the inspiration for the character was less the Doctor and more Malcolm Tucker, right down to a few key lines of dialogue.<\/p>\n

Recently we caught up with Capaldi to talk about his role in the new DC movie, how it feels to leave Doctor Who in the rearview mirror and what he\u2019s got coming up next \u2013 including his apparent quest to be the next chart-topping Scottish Capaldi.<\/p>

Hi Peter! James Gunn has said that he sought you out specifically for the role of The Thinker \u2013what was your first response?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, my first response was the fact that I didn\u2019t really believe it \u2013 in the sense that I just woke up, and opened my phone, and there was an email with the script, saying, \u201cWe\u2019d like you to do this.\u201d<\/p>\n

It seemed a rather uncomplicated way to find yourself in a huge DC superhero movie. But there it was. And I guess that\u2019s because of James, because I think he\u2019d seen In the Loop, which was the movie spin-off from The Thick of It. He didn\u2019t even know that The Thick of It existed, and that there was a TV show. That\u2019s like seeing, you know, Mutiny on the Buses, and not realising that there was a show called On the Buses!<\/p>\n

I think people think that because he has Karen [Gillan] in Guardians of the Galaxy, and me in this, that he\u2019s familiar with Doctor Who. I don\u2019t think he\u2019s ever seen Doctor Who. I think he has no interest in it, or knowledge about it. I think Karen just incredibly impressed him when he met her.<\/p>\n

For some reason, he just felt that I was right for this part, and I\u2019m deeply grateful to him for that thought.<\/p>\n

Watching the film, it did seem like The Thinker has a bit of Malcolm Tucker in his DNA. There\u2019s a bit where he says \u201cyankee-f***in-doodle-dandies\u201d, which felt pure The Thick of It.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah. I made that up. That was one of mine.<\/p>\n

\""The\"<\/div>
Peter Capaldi as The Thinker with Idris Elba as Bloodsport (WB)<\/span><\/figcaption><\/div>\n

Oh, really? That was something you added?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah. James\u2019s script was great, but then occasionally he would terrify us all by suddenly saying, \u201cOK, you just make something up now.\u201d Which is always terrifying, because it means you\u2019ve got to try and be funny, really.<\/p>\n

But I heard him laughing, so I knew that would be kept in.<\/p>\n

Not everything made it in\u2013 there\u2019s a bit in the trailer where you have this great speech about supervillains. But that\u2019s not actually in the movie, is it?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah, I was very sad about that, because\u2026 you know, I find this happens a lot with stuff I\u2019m doing. We do lots of quiet scenes, or emotional things, that somehow don\u2019t make it into the final cut, because they like to have all the explosive stuff.<\/p>\n

But, yeah, there was a scene where I kind of sort of \u201cHannibal Lecter\u201d David Dastmalchian\u2019s Polka-Dot Man character, and take him to pieces which we shot, but we lost from the movie. David is such a brilliant actor. I love Polka-Dot Man. I think that\u2019s a brilliant character. He\u2019s so lame. He\u2019s just this awful superhero.<\/p>\n

Obviously The Thinker gets up to some pretty dark stuff in the film. Was it interesting for you? Because you obviously had to be quite squeaky-clean when you were in Doctor Who. <\/strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

I mean, I think with any project that I do, I just try to be faithful to the script. I just don\u2019t think much of it. I try to bring that to life as powerfully as I can.<\/p>\n

But in a comic-book movie like this, you know, as much as The Thinker is going to dark places, it still is in that kind of graphic-novel kind of world. So it has less of an emotional cost than if you were doing a genuine part \u2013 you know, a character who genuinely had conducted experiments like The Thinker had. He remains a comic-book evil genius, and I\u2019m quite happy with that.<\/p>\n

\""The\"<\/div>
Peter Capaldi as The Thinker in The Suicide Squad (WB)<\/span><\/figcaption><\/div>\n

You\u2019ve talked recently about how the experience of making this was different from Doctor Who. Was it just the scale of the film, versus the scale of Doctor Who?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s a completely different thing. I think that people who are outside of these genres, think that they\u2019re all bunched into the one thing. As I say, James had no idea that Doctor Who exists. You can go to places in the world, including America, where people don\u2019t know Doctor Who exists. Which is a relief sometimes!<\/p>\n

So, yes. I would say that it\u2019s the money that they have. It allows them to execute their ideas with a level of craft that we can\u2019t \u2013 we just don\u2019t have the cash. That said, I would say that in my time in Doctor Who, which is all I can talk about, we had remarkable effects and things that were done there that were absolutely extraordinary, as well as some crummy ones.<\/p>\n

And it\u2019s what Doctor Who has always been, anyway, for me. It\u2019s a show that has great ideas, and great imagination<\/a>, and sometimes \u2013 in fact, in most of its life \u2013 it\u2019s never really had the money to live up to its imagination. But I think that\u2019s a pretty good way to be. Money isn\u2019t everything, you know?<\/p>\n

It\u2019s not. You look at some of the shows that have so much money poured into them, and they\u2019re just no good anyway, because they haven\u2019t got the basics right.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah. I think it\u2019s harder nowadays, because I think that so many of the shows look incredible. So if you\u2019re going to take them on, you need a greater level of investment, really.<\/p>\n

Is it an adjustment to go from Doctor Who where you\u2019re shooting for 10 months of the year \u2013 you\u2019re the top name on the call sheet, the ambassador for it \u2013 versus things like The Suicide Squad, where you\u2019re part of a larger ensemble?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s quite a relief, really. Doctor Who is kind of a thing where you have a responsibility to it, and to the people who work on it, and to the people who love it, and that is quite a heavy responsibility. So to have that lifted means that you can relax a bit, and do things that are more esoteric and stranger and darker.<\/p>\n

And certainly, I think post-Doctor Who I\u2019m more like the way I was pre-Doctor Who. The whole Doctor Who thing, you have to sort of become a different person, really, to do that. So it\u2019s a relief to return to who I was before.<\/p>\n

\""Peter\"<\/div>
Peter Capaldi and Jodie Whittaker in character in Doctor Who (BBC, HF)<\/span><\/figcaption><\/div>\n

Your successor in Doctor Who, Jodie Whittaker, is going through that same period you did towards the end \u2013these endless rumours about who could replace you, the media storm. Was that strange to be a part of when you were doing it? If you did have any advice on how to handle all of that, what would that be?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, Jodie\u2019s lovely and amazing. I\u2019m sure she can handle all of that without any advice from me. She\u2019s brilliant.<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know. It\u2019s an odd thing that happens. I always remember when I took over from Matt. It was only when I left that I realised how gracious Matt had been to me, because he was going through the emotional turmoil of leaving, and took the time to be gracious to me.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s like, the whole Doctor Who experience, it\u2019s not over until it\u2019s over, you know?\u00a0You don\u2019t really see it clearly until you\u2019ve been through it.<\/p>\n

Before I wrap up, I\u2019ve got to ask about what you\u2019ve got coming up. I\u2019ve heard you\u2019ve got The Devil\u2019s Hour<\/a>, which is working with [former Who showrunner] Steven Moffat via Hartswood Films again.<\/strong><\/p>\n

That\u2019s right. It\u2019s difficult for me to tell you about my part without giving too much away.\u00a0It\u2019s really good. The scripts are really good, and it\u2019s strange. But I don\u2019t want to\u2026 I don\u2019t want to give it away.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve also done this film called Benediction with Terence Davies. I think Terence Davies is possibly our greatest living filmmaker, and I was thrilled to be in a film of his, which will be out later in the year.<\/p>\n

And you\u2019re also releasing an album?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yeah. This was something I was doing for fun with a friend of mine called Dr. Robert, who was in a band called The Blow Monkeys. He and I just played together for fun, and then he said, \u201cWell, why don\u2019t you have a go at writing some stuff?\u201d.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s just something we were doing for the satisfaction of making music. It\u2019s not an attempt to become a pop star or be a rock star or anything. I think there\u2019s a fairly substantial Capaldi pop star out there already\u2026<\/p>\n

Before I wrap up, one final question about The Suicide Squad. What can fans expect from the film, and how different is it to the original?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think if you were going to come and see this film, what you would get is an insane cinematic spectacle and lots of explosions, both verbally and helicopter-wise.<\/p>\n

And, yeah, I liked the first one. It seemed to have a troubled history. But this is a James Gunn movie. So I think it shares some characters with the original one, but I think its whole vibe is less dark and more comic-book-y.<\/p>\n

The Suicide Squad is in UK cinemas now. For more news and features, visit our our Sci-Fi<\/a> hub or find something to watch with our full TV Guide<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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