{"id":34458,"date":"2024-06-10T15:17:53","date_gmt":"2024-06-10T13:17:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/cc5b681c-9e81-41a4-a488-7bfed3226171"},"modified":"2024-06-10T15:53:17","modified_gmt":"2024-06-10T13:53:17","slug":"i-discovered-that-in-1897-my-great-grandmothers-policeman-husband-caught-her-in-bed-with-his-colleague","status":"publish","type":"rss_feed","link":"https:\/\/c01.purpledshub.com\/wdytya\/rss_feed\/i-discovered-that-in-1897-my-great-grandmothers-policeman-husband-caught-her-in-bed-with-his-colleague\/","title":{"rendered":"I discovered that in 1897, my great grandmother\u2019s policeman husband caught her in bed with his colleague"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"rssexcerpt\"><\/p><p class=\"rssauthor\">By <\/p><p class=\"rssbyline\">Published: Monday, 10 June 2024 at 13:17 PM<\/p><hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/><?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\" standalone=\"yes\"?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>At 3am on 6 November 1897 Constable Walter Ramsbottom came off duty and headed back to the county police station in Widnes, where he lived with his wife Eliza, their two sons and three colleagues. Before retiring, he went to lock up but noticed that Constable Benson was missing. Seeing the door of his own living quarters ajar, he went to check that his family was safe. Turning on the light, he was shocked to find Benson in bed with his wife. Calling for another policeman, he threw Benson\u2019s clothes out of the window and pulled him from under the bed where he was trying to hide. It may sound almost comical now, but the repercussions were to be catastrophic for all involved \u2013 and rippled down the generations.<\/p><p>More than a century later, <em>Who Do You Think You Are? Magazine<\/em> reader Lynda Giller was trying to make sense of her family history. One ancestor in particular \u2013 her father\u2019s grandmother, Eliza Hargreaves \u2013 was proving elusive. \u201cWe always knew she\u2019d been born Eliza Holt and her married name was Ramsbottom,\u201d says Lynda. Eliza\u2019s son Herbert, Lynda\u2019s grandfather, was registered as Herbert Ramsbottom on his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/getting-started\/finding-birth-marriage-and-death-records\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">birth certificate<\/a>, but at some point became Herbert Daniel Hargreaves, with Eliza taking this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/getting-started\/where-does-my-surname-come-from\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">surname<\/a> as well. \u201cLittle did anyone know of her colourful life and the secrets and lies that she used to reinvent herself.\u201d<\/p><p>\u201cThe big mystery was why she started calling herself Hargreaves, and what had happened to Herbert\u2019s father,\u201d Lynda continues. \u201cOccasionally when she\u2019d had a drink, she would talk about her husband, saying he\u2019d abandoned her, drowned \u2013 or even gone off to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/tutorials\/overseas\/australian-ancestors\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Australia<\/a> taking their children with him.\u201d She also said she\u2019d been in service with a wealthy draper called Hargreaves, who was Herbert\u2019s father.<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Herbert Daniel Hargreaves<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>Lynda discovered Eliza had been born in Bury, Lancashire, on 8 December 1862 to Edward Holt, a file cutter, and his wife Nancy. The 1871 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/getting-started\/tracing-your-ancestors-using-the-census\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">census records<\/a> show Eliza aged eight living with her maternal grandparents, while the 1881 census finds her at 18 living with her aunt. Then in 1885 Eliza married Walter Ramsbottom, a railway stoker, at the parish church in Bury.<\/p><p>In 1892 Walter joined the Lancashire County Police Force and the couple moved to Eccleston, where they lived at the police station. They had a son, John Ernest, in August that year. They moved again to Haslingden and then to Widnes, where their son Percy was born in 1894.\u00a0<\/p><p>\u201cBut by the 1901 census, Eliza was calling herself Hargreaves, a widow, born Cornwall,\u201d says Lynda, and she was living with her three-year-old son Herbert in Chorley. Lynda and her sister looked long and hard in an attempt to find out what had happened to the family \u2013 even enlisting the help of a researcher \u2013 without any luck.\u00a0<\/p><p>It wasn\u2019t until they pooled resources with a cousin that chinks started to appear in Eliza\u2019s brick wall. \u201cI was on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ancestry.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener sponsored nofollow\">Ancestry<\/a>, so my cousin registered with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.findmypast.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Findmypast<\/a>. She did a search for Eliza, and we were astounded when a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/tutorials\/divorce-records\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">divorce record<\/a> popped up.\u201d<\/p><blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>&#8220;We were astounded when a divorce record popped up\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote><p>Divorces are very rare among the working classes because of the prohibitive cost. \u201cThe National Archives had the full papers. They were amazing \u2013 we managed to find out the details of the couple\u2019s children. There\u2019s a handwritten letter from Eliza in there as well, plus a statement from Walter.\u201d<\/p><p>The divorce papers were very detailed and revealed that as well as John Ernest and Percy, the couple had had a stillborn baby, while another child, Walter, had died at 18 months. The documents also told how \u201cbetween 20 Jan 1897 down to and including 6 November 1897 the respondent [Eliza] occasionally committed adultery with one William Henry Benson\u201d. The divorce laws of that time were harsh \u2013 Walter walked away, taking the children with him.\u00a0<\/p><p>So now Lynda knew why the couple divorced, and the name of Eliza\u2019s lover. Was her story of a rich draper called Hargreaves pure Mills and Boon? \u201cIt was fantastic to find all that detail! William Henry Benson was still a mystery, because there weren\u2019t any details about him in the documents. They didn\u2019t even state where the adultery had taken place. There\u2019s also a wonderful letter from Eliza, claiming: \u2018I am not guilty of the charges made by my husband against me.\u2019 The case went to court in the January, but Eliza couldn\u2019t afford to go \u2013 not least because she was pregnant. Herbert was born in March.\u00a0<\/p><p>\u201cIt was a real shock to find out the enormity of the thing \u2013 that she had lost her children, and was pregnant and alone. In 1898, this was a disaster.\u201d<\/p><blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>She had lost her children, and was pregnant and alone<\/p><\/blockquote><p>Lynda managed to track down Walter\u2019s police files at Lancashire Record Office. From these, she discovered that he had previously been \u201csummonsed by his wife for assault\u201d. This is why the couple had had to relocate from Haslingden to Widnes.<\/p><p>Such a dramatic story was pounced on by the press. \u201cWe\u2019d trawled every William Henry Benson in the country \u2013 and there are loads. None of them fitted.<\/p><p>But I gave William and Eliza\u2019s names to a friend who had access to the newspaper archives, and she found the story straight away.\u201d The papers had picked over every sordid detail.\u00a0<\/p><p>William, it turned out, was a policeman, and the adultery had happened at Widnes police station. \u201cI sent for his details from the police records and discovered he was from Garstang, quite young and had previously been an agricultural labourer. His records say, \u2018Dismissed for immorality. Found in bed with the wife of PC Ramsbottom.\u2019 I felt quite sorry for him,\u201d Lynda reveals.<\/p><p>Following his dismissal, William seems to have returned to his roots, later marrying and having a family. \u201cMy cousin tracked down his grave. When she visited, she saw someone had placed fresh flowers. She left a note saying who she was, and William\u2019s grandson got in touch. Amazingly, he was a retired police inspector! He knew nothing about what had happened to his grandfather.\u201d<\/p><p>As for Walter\u2019s fate, an article in an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/tutorials\/old-newspapers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">old newspaper<\/a> from 1900 shed some light: \u201cThe borough police force lost by death yesterday one of its smartest members, PC Walter Ramsbottom. He was a fine, well-built man, 35 years of age, and was only taken ill a week ago. Pneumonia developed and he succumbed yesterday afternoon. Additional pathos attached to the death, the fact that the deceased was married only a few weeks ago.\u201d<\/p><p>Eliza\u2019s sons stayed with Walter\u2019s widow, who remarried. We don\u2019t know if Eliza saw them again.<\/p><p>In the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/tutorials\/1911-census\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">1911 census<\/a> for Chorley, she\u2019s living with Herbert but admits to having three children \u2013 two of whom had died. \u201cI find it upsetting just what an incredibly hard life she had. To lose her children, to lose her home overnight. I\u2019ve got tremendous respect for her; she brought Herbert up on her own.\u201d<\/p><figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1525\" src=\"https:\/\/c02.purpledshub.com\/uploads\/sites\/52\/2024\/06\/1911-census-Eliza-and-Herbert-Hargreaves-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"A census form\" class=\"wp-image-20776\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Eliza Hargreaves in the 1911 census<\/figcaption><\/figure><p>The affair left its mark elsewhere on Lynda\u2019s family tree. The girl Herbert eventually married, Lizzie Worsfold, was the daughter of another policeman \u2013 who, his police records revealed, had been working at Widnes Police Station around the time Herbert was conceived!<\/p><p>However, the adoption of the name Hargreaves was a hard puzzle to crack.<\/p><p>Herbert, Lynda discovered, had been baptised at St Mark\u2019s Church in Antrobus, Cheshire. \u201cIt\u2019s near Lostock Gralam, which my father mentioned in his journal. He said Eliza always used to say that she went into service there. I went along to the record office and asked to see the original entry in the registers. But when I found it, I thought \u2018This is the wrong one\u2019, because it said \u2018Hargreaves\u2019 and I was looking for \u2018Ramsbottom\u2019. Then I realised it actually read \u2018Herbert Daniel Hargreaves Ramsbottom\u2019.\u201d<\/p><p>But where had the extra names \u2018Daniel\u2019 and \u2018Hargreaves\u2019 come from? \u201cBy sheer fluke, I looked back through the church records and found that a baby named William Daniel Hargreaves had died a few months previously.\u201d Even stranger was the fact that William\u2019s parents were the only other couple <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com\/tutorials\/religious\/baptism-records\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">baptising<\/a> a child, Wilhemina Frances, at the church on the day that Herbert was baptised. Was this where Eliza had got the name from? Was it a cynical move to leave her past behind \u2013 or did she know the Hargreaves and want to honour their son? We\u2019ll never know.<\/p><p>Eliza, too, began using the name Hargreaves. Herbert\u2019s baptism seems to have been pivotal \u2013 the point at which she reinvented herself and her son.\u00a0<\/p><p>\u201cIt was surprising, but we were almost expecting some sort of scandal. My father always said she was very bright, but that she loved romantic fiction\u201d \u2013 perhaps that\u2019s where her stories about Walter\u2019s absence came from.<\/p><p>Lynda is very philosophical about Eliza\u2019s actions. \u201cI certainly don\u2019t think any less of her because of what happened,\u201d she says. \u201cI knew my father thought the world of her \u2013 he always said she was \u2018the one who held the family together\u2019.\u201d And this far down the line, time often wears the deeds of our forebears smooth.<\/p> <\/body><\/html>\n<hr class=\"no-tts wp-block-separator\"\/>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Published: Monday, 10 June 2024 at 13:17 PM At 3am on 6 November 1897 Constable Walter Ramsbottom came off duty and headed back to the county police station in Widnes, where he lived with his wife Eliza, their two sons and three colleagues. 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